China demographics thread.

Randomuser

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I have personally seen that even 10-15 years back, Koreans and Japanese, were arguing the same for Mainlanders. That the East Asian economic model that lifted Taiwan, HK, Singapore, Korea, and Japan would not work for Mainland, apparently due to a litany of reasons that they claimed.

As for India, the jury is out, but what is better, assuming that they do better or not? Can you really rely on your strength being premised on someone else's under performance?
Just because India is also called "Asian" because it happened to be in Asia (a nonsensical term that goes all the way to Israel) doesn't mean its the same as those those guys. Also I wonder if any of those guys really meant that behind closed doors considering the amount of investments they made in China.

China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, India. We can tell one country clearly is the odd one out here but if you believe they are all "asian" then they should be the same. Thats what western neolibs believe unironically. I will be investing in Nigerian anime production studios since they are going to be the next Japan or Korea obviously.

Edit: Oh yeah and I realized not even the people but geography can screw all these projections up. South and and Southeast Asia are already having bad heatwaves. If this climate change keeps up we can forget about all these hopes for future.
 
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manqiangrexue

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I have personally seen that even 10-15 years back, Koreans and Japanese, were arguing the same for Mainlanders. That the East Asian economic model that lifted Taiwan, HK, Singapore, Korea, and Japan would not work for Mainland, apparently due to a litany of reasons that they claimed.
They are correct. We did not use the same grovelling submissive model that they used; ours is a success tailored to the Chinese nation by the CCP. We would not use thier embarrassing model and if India were to truly ascend, they will need to do the same. So far, they, like the vast majority of nations, have shown no capacity for it.
As for India, the jury is out, but what is better, assuming that they do better or not? Can you really rely on your strength being premised on someone else's under performance?
We don't rely on anything Indian, success or failure. We don't even care to think about them; we're all about China moving forward. India's a sideshow we don't care to watch but once in a while one of their clowns pops out for attention and we have to... eh... put him at the bottom of an icy river so he can chill out.
 

Randomuser

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Economic growth the last quarter
India: 8.4%
Taiwan 6.5%
China 5.3%
South Korea 3.4%
Japan 0.4%

Based on the data, perhaps East Asia should be asking themselves why they are not as successful as India.
I don't have that graph, but I remember someone saying a lot of this "growth" in India is literally just playing catchup to pre-2020 levels. India's GDP really fell a lot during Covid so just by getting back to pre-pandemic levels already looks like an economic miracle.

Also another thing to consider is China during its growth phrase had double digit growth for years. India better start having that if it wants to catch up.
 

broadsword

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When people talk about race in the context here, it is not just the DNA, but the whole civilization as well. The entire societal lifestyle makes the difference. Like how we treat the opposite sex with more respect. They have their strengths as well. They are second to the Chinese in academic scores, but they do better in their managerial careers in the West. On the other hand, our quality is leveraging our perseverance in our pursuits, especially in R&D.

Therefore, we Chinese must keep this in mind and focus on how to chart our own course and stay ahead. Always observe the rear-view mirror.
 

Chevalier

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When people talk about race in the context here, it is not just the DNA, but the whole civilization as well. The entire societal lifestyle makes the difference. Like how we treat the opposite sex with more respect. They have their strengths as well. They are second to the Chinese in academic scores, but they do better in their managerial careers in the West. On the other hand, our quality is leveraging our perseverance in our pursuits, especially in R&D.

Therefore, we Chinese must keep this in mind and focus on how to chart our own course and stay ahead. Always observe the rear-view mirror.
What managerial skills?
sucking up to Caucasian and Anglo bosses who are ever fearful of hard working asians who produce results and who exhibit more competence relative to the anglos own children?
There is a reason there are Chinese or Asian built companies like nvidia, Huawei and SMIC and servant companies for the white man, staffed by Indians. I actually think white people lump Indians with asians because it makes them feel better that they’re not being total, pwned by easy asians if there is a Nigerian tier indian nation lumped in there as well.
 

broadsword

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What managerial skills?
sucking up to Caucasian and Anglo bosses who are ever fearful of hard working asians who produce results and who exhibit more competence relative to the anglos own children?
There is a reason there are Chinese or Asian built companies like nvidia, Huawei and SMIC and servant companies for the white man, staffed by Indians. I actually think white people lump Indians with asians because it makes them feel better that they’re not being total, pwned by easy asians if there is a Nigerian tier indian nation lumped in there as well.

I was not referring to building companies up from the ground. If you think they got into their honcho positions just by sucking up, that's too bad and there are some who were head-hunted from outside. As I wrote, let's not be complacent and be dismissive of them.
 

Randomuser

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Arguing is a waste of time. People here are just way too political correct. Chinese are the most superior race on earth and India in their 4000 years of existence never done anything worthy of admire. They will never catchup. Hinduism is a curse, and Southeast Asia which are influenced heavily by Indian culture will remain poor for the same reason.
No need to go that far. We do have to thank India (if thats the proper name since the current form of it is a British invention) for stuff like the number zero as well as other stuff that was supposedly invented during the BCE era.

But as I was discussing with some other guy a while back, what's needed today to succeed is different from back then. We live in a modern fast-paced global knowledge-based capitalist environment. In order to remain competitive, what needed is everyone to play their part in working hard to contribute to the nation in producing value. Quality not quantity. People seem to have a hard time thinking China is about quality now due to its high population which is a real scary thing when people are working towards their potential.

This isn't even about just India. Why is Singapore, a tiny dot considered more than its Neighbour Malaysia? According to LKY, is it coz its full of genetically superior Chinese? According to him, what he is concerned about is Sino-culture is hard. How did Yu the great start the first dynasty? He was a flood engineer who managed to resolve the constant problem of yellow river floods. There's no God coming down from heaven to help you. Rather the heavens say you figure out how to resolve this problems and we might be with you. China has dealt with floods, famines, managing large population, fighting nomads, maintaining order during civil strife etc. In comparison SEA culture simply doesn't have so many disasters and stuff grows a lot more easily like a coconut from a tree. Therefore they don't need to be on their feet so much.

A tough environment brings tough and competitive culture. Sino-like cultures have it that everyone must work their ass off efficiently to produce value to the country. Both men and women. There is no wasting 3 hours each day to pray to Mecca on a country-wide scale. Nor is there any ban on Women reading and working. There is simply no time or room for religious stuff that actively impedes getting stuff done properly. There is only results that does the talking. Even Muslims in China realize religion alone ain't gonna put food on their table so they have to go out to work, sell, earn a living etc. Thats why places like Latin America or non-east asians so far haven't really caught up because such a lax or rather inefficient attitude is not competitive. Even in the middle east, some place like Iran seems to understand the need to be competitive so I think despite the sanctions they have, they know what it means to work hard to achieve results unlike their heavily oil-reliant neighbours which aren't going to have those high GDP figures forever.

But for China the battle may have not even began. So just like before it must find a way to resolve significant problems. If birth rates are low, they find a way to increase them or alternatively find a solution that people have not thought of like cloning or utilizing robots etc. Sometimes people spend so much time thinking about assumptions from yesterday they fail to realize the assumptions may have changed tomorrow.

Btw this applies to the west too. They think they got it all figured it out coz their ancestors conquered others. No thats just a kid with a silver spoon not knowing what his parents had to go through so he could be born with one. The only thing they have left really is war so far. Without it, people will realize they are not really that competitive and there's no need to take what they say seriously. The USA for all people hate about it, is still more competitive than most places especially Europe because it still has people who are hungry who want to do something.
 
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Chevalier

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I was not referring to building companies up from the ground. If you think they got into their honcho positions just by sucking up, that's too bad and there are some who were head-hunted from outside. As I wrote, let's not be complacent and be dismissive of them.
No, let's not be complacent to the sheer fact of indian nepotism and indian dependance on anglo and zionist patronage; being merely competant to not cause a total F up is not the kind of thing i'd expect of one to be promoted to manager, but that's just my Chinese upbringing which demands excellence to be considered for promotion. There's a reason Cisco and Oracle have been hit by lawsuits for discrimination and nepotism in favour of indians- your math olympiads are populated entirely by east Asians of the Sinic variety rather than those of the subcontinent, never mind the fabled tales of indian mathematicians - which i believe is more a pandering to the anglo notion of 'the noble savage' than reality.

In terms of demographics, China should take note of the example in Singapore, of the folly of allowing indian nepotism to take root in the city state.
 
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