China demographics thread.

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
Come on. This is 2022. Not 2000. China has very dire demographics because of the four decade implementation of the One Child Policy. The Chinese demographics are a clusterfuck of immense proportions. In my view demographics are the biggest danger to Chinese future with the USA in a second spot.
I already presented the solution to this problem to you, tidalwave, but you keep posting the same debunked garbage over and over. If social measures fail (which they are quite likely to) and China requires more people, the government can manufacture them as I previously described. This is a solved problem, so stop wasting people's time by posting boring Western propaganda.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
You mean your ridiculous idea of the state raising IVF-bred babies?
What's ridiculous about it?
Have you seen an average parent?

Imagine if all kids were raised in a consistent style with the best available attention provided by them by the state. Just open a random medical journal and see how much our first 1-3 years affect our rest of life.

State-raised babies is imo the next evolutionary leap for humanity. Have seen enough walking garbage in my life and I can't help but feel sorry for their unfortunate kids. Everyone should have the same starting line
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Come on. This is 2022. Not 2000. China has very dire demographics because of the four decade implementation of the One Child Policy. The Chinese demographics are a clusterfuck of immense proportions. In my view demographics are the biggest danger to Chinese future with the USA in a second spot.
This is simply not a problem. China doesn't grow because its population is growing; it grows because more of its poor agrarian population become urbanized. The total population growth is negligible in relation to economic growth; it's the growth of the urban population at the loss of the rural population. China wasn't the most powerful when its population was young and exploding. Those are the demographics of poor third world nations. Developed countries with advanced tech and large value-added markets all have this trend, that people put biological reproduction after their career paths and these countries often have very dense populations. As I see it, it's basically like nature correcting itself as a country became overpopulated during the fast and dirty growth phase, now it needs to shed that to truly become a healthy high income population with much higher standard of living and resources per capita. This trend is in every technologically advanced and powerful nation; China is just much much bigger. The continued trajectory for a successful country is that the nation continues to develop until it is a world leader in tech at which point it enters a cruise mode and there is less work stress aided by a lower population and higher resources and land per capita. At this point, with less crowding and more affordable larger homes, people will begin to reproduce more to reach a new homeostasis on the population with high income, high standard of living, and high technology.

In summary, don't worry. China rises not because we're a massive zombie horde; we will be on top because we have the smartest and most driven, STEM-focused people.
 

Maikeru

Captain
Registered Member
Which is the stronger nation, (1) 900m highly educated, technologically advanced people with excellent infrastructure in an advanced economy; or (2) 1.4bn largely illiterate peasant farmers (excepting a few high tech enclaves) with poor infrastructure?

Because if it's the latter, may I be the first to say "J-- H---!"
 

Abominable

Major
Registered Member
Yeah. What's ridiculous about it?
IVF is not a solution. Rates of birth deformities are higher as well as complications compared to natural pregnancies.

If it was western countries would be employing it - there's no shortage of 40 year old women who want to have a child but can't because it's too late. It's very expensive and resource intensive. In the UK couples with no children are allowed one cycle of IVF paid for by the NHS. It has very long wait times and people often resort to health tourism as an alternative.

Instead European countries focus on financial benefits for younger couples having children. It's not working very well either, but at least it's cheaper than IVF.
This is simply not a problem. China doesn't grow because its population is growing; it grows because more of its poor agrarian population become urbanized. The total population growth is negligible in relation to economic growth; it's the growth of the urban population at the loss of the rural population. China wasn't the most powerful when its population was young and exploding. Those are the demographics of poor third world nations. Developed countries with advanced tech and large value-added markets all have this trend, that people put biological reproduction after their career paths and these countries often have very dense populations. As I see it, it's basically like nature correcting itself as a country became overpopulated during the fast and dirty growth phase, now it needs to shed that to truly become a healthy high income population with much higher standard of living and resources per capita. This trend is in every technologically advanced and powerful nation; China is just much much bigger. The continued trajectory for a successful country is that the nation continues to develop until it is a world leader in tech at which point it enters a cruise mode and there is less work stress aided by a lower population and higher resources and land per capita. At this point, with less crowding and more affordable larger homes, people will begin to reproduce more to reach a new homeostasis on the population with high income, high standard of living, and high technology.

In summary, don't worry. China rises not because we're a massive zombie horde; we will be on top because we have the smartest and most driven, STEM-focused people.
There's no reason why you can't have both population growth and economic growth. Look at west European fertility rates during the industrial revolution right up until the mid 20th century.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
There's no reason why you can't have both population growth and economic growth. Look at west European fertility rates during the industrial revolution right up until the mid 20th century.
Of course you can have both; that's what China was having up to now. But that strategy is limited because space is limited; you can't just have 1.3B people ->1.8B people -> 2.5B people ->4B people all in the same space even with more highrises. And you shouldn't need to do that either to grow healthily. A good developed country has plenty of space for everyone, high standard of living, and it still beats the pants off of poor countries where people have 6 kids because the need for physical labor is so high. It is this difference in standard of living that allows developed countries to brain-drain poor crowded countries and a reduction will help ameliorate this as well. You need to reach a good equilibrium where it's not too crowded, life is enjoyable, and the country grows based on growth of the education and abilities of the average citizen, not just having more citizens, which is actually a burden when they are low quality. High quality equilibrium will have everyone working on cruise mode but the country still progressing faster than ever. How? Because once the country has developed a world-class foundation and technological tools, it can move much faster on much less effort. America has been on cruise mode since probably WWII but until recently, its tech was still moving faster than even China, which put so much more effort because America had better tools for tech development. 1 accountant working with Microsoft Excel beats a whole team working with pencil and paper. China paid in blood and sweat to finally develop and refine those tools for ourselves and once we use them to sit on top of the world, Chinese people too will find a fast-moving equilibrium larger and faster than America without grinding our workers to death working 100 hour weeks. The is China's end game; it is not to keep having more babies and working them to death (9-9-6 just to keep a small apartment wondering why they don't have more babies) for growth.
 
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