China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread


Kalec

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Just found two screenshots posted on Chinese internet dated back to the first silo found in Yumen. The origin ones are posted in 11/2017.

The first one mentioned construction project in Yumen which is contracted for mainly ¥180/m^3 or ¥380/m^3 on specifically "digging [something] 110m deep, 8m wide."

The second one mentioned the average contract price per m^3 is ¥190 and the total project will be 500 MILLION m^3.
For comparison, Minuteman silo project excavated 20 million yard^3 (roughly 15.29 million m^3) for 150 launch facilities and 15 launch centers.

My question is how real this screenshot is and if it is a scam. And if it is a fraud, why Yumen. Because Yumen is in middle of nowhere and basically reserved for PLA, rocket launch and oil field. If someone planned to scam whole lot of money from construction companies, there was no mention about deposit for this project at all.

Another question is whether it was only accounted for silo project in Yumen if it is real. Someone on Chinese internet suggested the number might not be accurate or could be for the entire silo-based missile project. I have found no reasonable answer and definitely won't be surprised if new silos are found in the future.


If it is not fake, it is really telling and connecting every dots in this nuclear change.
- In this timeline, China - US relation deteriorated after Trump got elected in 2016.
- After Trump formally inaugurated in January 2017, he ordered to change the nuclear posture review.
- Since then China decided to rapidly expand nuclear force by ten fold, restart plutonium and warheads production.
- Silo excavation started bidding in late 2017 and began construction in probably 2018/2019.
- US declared trade war on China in January 2018.
- The new NPR published in February 2018 explicitly said the new administration will "expand U.S. nuclear options now, to include low-yield options," de-facto nuclear coercion in the case of Taiwan.
- A 2.65m diameter solid fueled engine successfully conducted its first hot testing in March 2019.
- Silo bases in Yumen and Hami are found by satellite in their late construction stage in June 2021.
- Another one found in Ordos, and probably more to be found in somewhere else.

Edit: The projection was scheduled to be completed in 5 years according to the second screenshot, not sure how real it is tho.
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Confusionism

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Just found two screenshots posted on Chinese internet dated back to the first silo found in Yumen. The origin ones are posted in 11/2017.

The first one mentioned construction project in Yumen which is contracted for mainly ¥180/m^3 or ¥380/m^3 on specifically "digging [something] 110m deep, 8m wide."

The second one mentioned the average contract price per m^3 is ¥190 and the total project will be 500 MILLION m^3.
For comparison, Minuteman silo project excavated 20 million yard^3 (roughly 15.29 million m^3) for 150 launch facilities and 15 launch centers.

My question is how real this screenshot is and if it is a scam. And if it is a fraud, why Yumen. Because Yumen is in middle of nowhere and basically reserved for PLA, rocket launch and oil field. If someone planned to scam whole lot of money from construction companies, there was no mention about deposit for this project at all.

Another question is whether it was only accounted for silo project in Yumen if it is real. Someone on Chinese internet suggested the number might not be accurate or could be for the entire silo-based missile project. I have found no reasonable answer and definitely won't be surprised if new silos are found in the future.


If it is not fake, it is really telling and connecting every dots in this nuclear change.
- In this timeline, China - US relation deteriorated after Trump got elected in 2016.
- After Trump formally inaugurated in January 2017, he ordered to change the nuclear posture review.
- Since then China decided to rapidly expand nuclear force by ten fold, restart plutonium and warheads production.
- Silo excavation started bidding in late 2017 and began construction in probably 2018/2019.
- US declared trade war on China in January 2018.
- The new NPR published in February 2018 explicitly said the new administration will "expand U.S. nuclear options now, to include low-yield options," de-facto nuclear coercion in the case of Taiwan.
- A 2.65m diameter solid fueled engine successfully conducted its first hot testing in March 2019.
- Silo bases in Yumen and Hami are found by satellite in their late construction stage in June 2021.
- Another one found in Ordos, and probably more to be found in somewhere else.

Edit: The projection was scheduled to be completed in 5 years according to the second screenshot, not sure how real it is tho.
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In these two screenshots, there is never any mention of Yumen, only of Jiuquan, which is about 150 km from Jiuquan to Yumen
 

Confusionism

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In these two screenshots, there is never any mention of Yumen, only of Jiuquan, which is about 150 km from Jiuquan to Yumen
Dude, Yumen is a county-level city in Jiuquan, which is a prefecture-level city. Basically it is a part of Jiuquan administratively.
So what? Is there a rule that does not allow the use of the name of a county to indicate the location of the project?
This kind of post has little value and is a very common fraudulent post on the Internet.
If you are interested in his projects, he also has wineries to transfer.
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Kalec

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So what? Is there a rule that does not allow the use of the name of a county to indicate the location of the project?
This kind of post has little value and is a very common fraudulent post on the Internet.
If you are interested in his projects, he also has wineries to transfer.
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Lmao the first dude is 99% chance indeed a fraud coz I have reserve tracked his phone number, which is linked to a shady Taiwanese company. But it might be a copypaste scam from real construction project, highly likely to be a crawler bot. I definitely wouldn't write a wordy project scam on Tieba where no one actually read sure if I were him.

The second screenshot is from jc85.com where scam is also common. But I mean why, Yumen is in middle of nowhere.
"I will contract you billions of money to excavate dirt in desert. You will definitely believe without a second thought and give me millions of deposit." ain't gonna fool anyone.
 

Confusionism

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Lmao the first dude is 99% chance indeed a fraud coz I have reserve tracked his phone number, which is linked to a shady Taiwanese company. But it might be a copypaste scam from real construction project, highly likely to be a crawler bot. I definitely wouldn't write a wordy project scam on Tieba where no one actually read sure if I were him.

The second screenshot is from jc85.com where scam is also common. But I mean why, Yumen is in middle of nowhere.
"I will contract you billions of money to excavate dirt in desert. You will definitely believe without a second thought and give me millions of deposit." ain't gonna fool anyone.
Jiuquan and Yumen are geographically no different for most people, they are no where in the desert. When he said rocket army is already suspicious, since it is a contracting project, is it necessary to mention the rocket army, instead of simply mentioning the army project? And in fact the bidding for this kind of project is not possible by the rocket army, if the bidding to the civilian, usually by the PLA General Logistics Department, it is impossible to mention the specific military, but at most using the numerical code of the army.
 

Kalec

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Jiuquan and Yumen are geographically no different for most people, they are no where in the desert. When he said rocket army is already suspicious, since it is a contracting project, is it necessary to mention the rocket army, instead of simply mentioning the army project? And in fact the bidding for this kind of project is not possible by the rocket army, if the bidding to the civilian, usually by the PLA General Logistics Department, it is impossible to mention the specific military, but at most using the numerical code of the army.
But the second screenshot said no 垫资 (Deposit) and issued by a broker. IF it is true, it is probably issued by brokers from state-owned construction company.

Here is another one posted on Jc85.com today.
It looks very real to me. Contract issued by brokers, will be signed with state owned company. The same depth about 90 - 120m and same price ¥220/m^3 for the very same deep tunnel in the first screenshot. 40 million - 50 million m^3 per section, hugh project.

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So the scammer comes up with another huge project fraud and coincidentally in line with price/m^3 and depth posted 5 years ago.
I mean I can't even remember where I was 5 years ago and the scammer however still remember the same specification.
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Confusionism

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But the second screenshot said no 垫资 (Deposit) and issued by a broker. IF it is true, it is probably issued by brokers from state-owned construction company.

Here is another one posted on Jc85.com today.
It looks very real to me. Contract issued by brokers, will be signed with state owned company. The same depth about 90 - 120m and same price ¥220/m^3 for the very same deep tunnel in the first screenshot. 40 million - 50 million m^3 per section, hugh project.

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So the scammer comes up with another huge project fraud and coincidentally in line with price/m^3 and depth posted 5 years ago.
I mean I can't even remember where I was 5 years ago and the scammer however still remember the same specification.
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This is supposed to be a spent nuclear fuel landfill project.
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Dude STOP, you're looking for one of the highest classified projects in China, it's impossible to just find a private company on the internet to do it.
 

SEAD

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Just found two screenshots posted on Chinese internet dated back to the first silo found in Yumen. The origin ones are posted in 11/2017.

The first one mentioned construction project in Yumen which is contracted for mainly ¥180/m^3 or ¥380/m^3 on specifically "digging [something] 110m deep, 8m wide."

The second one mentioned the average contract price per m^3 is ¥190 and the total project will be 500 MILLION m^3.
For comparison, Minuteman silo project excavated 20 million yard^3 (roughly 15.29 million m^3) for 150 launch facilities and 15 launch centers.

My question is how real this screenshot is and if it is a scam. And if it is a fraud, why Yumen. Because Yumen is in middle of nowhere and basically reserved for PLA, rocket launch and oil field. If someone planned to scam whole lot of money from construction companies, there was no mention about deposit for this project at all.

Another question is whether it was only accounted for silo project in Yumen if it is real. Someone on Chinese internet suggested the number might not be accurate or could be for the entire silo-based missile project. I have found no reasonable answer and definitely won't be surprised if new silos are found in the future.


If it is not fake, it is really telling and connecting every dots in this nuclear change.
- In this timeline, China - US relation deteriorated after Trump got elected in 2016.
- After Trump formally inaugurated in January 2017, he ordered to change the nuclear posture review.
- Since then China decided to rapidly expand nuclear force by ten fold, restart plutonium and warheads production.
- Silo excavation started bidding in late 2017 and began construction in probably 2018/2019.
- US declared trade war on China in January 2018.
- The new NPR published in February 2018 explicitly said the new administration will "expand U.S. nuclear options now, to include low-yield options," de-facto nuclear coercion in the case of Taiwan.
- A 2.65m diameter solid fueled engine successfully conducted its first hot testing in March 2019.
- Silo bases in Yumen and Hami are found by satellite in their late construction stage in June 2021.
- Another one found in Ordos, and probably more to be found in somewhere else.

Edit: The projection was scheduled to be completed in 5 years according to the second screenshot, not sure how real it is tho.
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Nothing but a scam or a joke…don’t waste time on it.
 

Kalec

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This is supposed to be a spent nuclear fuel landfill project.
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Dude STOP, you're looking for one of the highest classified projects in China, it's impossible to just find a private company on the internet to do it.
Dude, spent nuclear fuel doesn't need 40 million m^3 to fill and 90-120m depth won't be enough.

I did some research on the company. It seems to be a subsidiary of China National Nuclear Corporation, set up in 2015 to construct a "中核甘肃核技术产业园" which said to be a multi-billion project. The local government said it can't disclose some of the company's information due to military secret.

Dudes, this stops make sense to me, a reprocessing plant surely doesn't need tens of billions of money to reprocess. Or they are reprocessing uranium, plutonium to make nuclear warheads for the silo 150km away.

The CEO of 中核龙瑞 is literally former 404 factory's CEO, one of Chinese nuclear weapon factory in the cold war. 王俊峰, then manager of 404 is now manager of 中核龙瑞. 刘士鹏, then president of 404 is the president of 中核龙瑞. The same men for the same jobs but in different name.

Even if everything about the bidding is fraud, the silos are not fake and China needs to produce new warheads to fill those silos. It appears to me that the company 中核龙瑞 is a cover-up for nuclear weapon production, with duties to dig the holes and produce warheads.

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