China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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getready

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This Stephen dude blocks every one who does not agree with him in twitter :p

From the Carnegie's senior fellow:

He is retarded aussie journalist who used to work for ABC, Aus state media reporting on China before switching to UK state media. He got exposed during reporting of hk riots to have deep lack of knowledge of Chinese language and history. He mistook a Teochew clan association based in hk to be north Korean in origin. And frequently gets exposed on Twitter then as you say block them.
 

escobar

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"If the idea is to penetrate missile defense, FOBS is not necessarily a good way to do that... It's not that straightforward, of course, but my guess is that a "regular" ICBM could probably carry 3-4 times as many warheads as a FOBS version. Or a lot of decoys and things like that. So, it probably has a better chance of defeating defense"
 

Suetham

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"If the idea is to penetrate missile defense, FOBS is not necessarily a good way to do that... It's not that straightforward, of course, but my guess is that a "regular" ICBM could probably carry 3-4 times as many warheads as a FOBS version. Or a lot of decoys and things like that. So, it probably has a better chance of defeating defense"

These images are misrepresented. The radar horizon range for altitudes of 150 km extends up to 1,600 km away, which means that the radar would only be able to see the FOBS when it was under Florida in the city of Miami, to be a little more exact. The image represented is stating that it could see the FOBS at distances where the altitude exceeds 1,000 km. This image does not even represent the maximum range at altitudes less than 160 km.

Just to remind you that the apogee at 1200 km of an object is capable of an OTHR seeing at 4500 km. The apogee at 150 km altitude, the radar would see 1600 km away. The object at an altitude of 50 km, the OTHR would see at only 950 km.

Whether to use other arguments.
 

Suetham

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You can launch on a southwards trajectory avoiding South Korea
I took a comment from a person I routinely follow and he said the following: "The FOBS (fractional orbit bombing system) bombing system, designed by the USSR in the 60s, used a rocket aimed at the South Pole, equipped with a reentry vehicle that entered orbit and at a certain point made its orbit decay (deorbit) and re-enter the atmosphere before completing a full orbit (hence the term “fractional orbit”). long range would not detect the launch because they were facing north and therefore would not give the ongoing attack alarm and preclude a counterattack.
*There was no defensive system against ICBMs/SLBMs by the Americans as the Sentinel/Safeguard defensive systems based on Spartan and Sprint missiles never actually came into operation and if they did it was for a few months and never proved to be really effective.
This supposed Chinese test, on the other hand, is not representative of an FOBS (fractional orbital bombing system) capability because it does not put the vehicle into orbit, and is therefore an HGV vehicle that has been gliding at hypersonic speed.
The defense against this type of threat is no longer based solely on fixed radar facing a specific side, it is much more versatile than the supposed defense against Soviet ICBMs. For example using Aegis ships with the SM-6, THAAD systems and Patriot systems with the PAC-3 MSE.
The GBI and SM-3 missiles, exoatmospheric (space) interceptors would not be used against this type of threat not because it comes from the south but because it does not come from space."
 

Hendrik_2000

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I took a comment from a person I routinely follow and he said the following: "The FOBS (fractional orbit bombing system) bombing system, designed by the USSR in the 60s, used a rocket aimed at the South Pole, equipped with a reentry vehicle that entered orbit and at a certain point made its orbit decay (deorbit) and re-enter the atmosphere before completing a full orbit (hence the term “fractional orbit”). long range would not detect the launch because they were facing north and therefore would not give the ongoing attack alarm and preclude a counterattack.
*There was no defensive system against ICBMs/SLBMs by the Americans as the Sentinel/Safeguard defensive systems based on Spartan and Sprint missiles never actually came into operation and if they did it was for a few months and never proved to be really effective.
This supposed Chinese test, on the other hand, is not representative of an FOBS (fractional orbital bombing system) capability because it does not put the vehicle into orbit, and is therefore an HGV vehicle that has been gliding at hypersonic speed.
The defense against this type of threat is no longer based solely on fixed radar facing a specific side, it is much more versatile than the supposed defense against Soviet ICBMs. For example using Aegis ships with the SM-6, THAAD systems and Patriot systems with the PAC-3 MSE.
The GBI and SM-3 missiles, exoatmospheric (space) interceptors would not be used against this type of threat not because it comes from the south but because it does not come from space."
Those terminal phase ABM won't work because the hypersonic warhead is maneuverable and the sheer speed of it will rendered those THAAD, PAC-3 USELESS! Those AD missile is only good for old ballistic missile like Scud
 

Suetham

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Those terminal phase ABM won't work because the hypersonic warhead is maneuverable and the sheer speed of it will rendered those THAAD, PAC-3 USELESS! Those AD missile is only good for old ballistic missile like Scud
He said the following: "First, the American defense against a nuclear attack on its territory, whether by ballistic missile, orbital missile (FOBS) or hypersonic type HGV, is the certainty of the response at the same level or worse. There must be balls for the Chinese to attack the continental US and vice versa.
Second, the first part of the detection and warning of a missile launch (ballistic, hypersonic or orbital) is provided by the network of infrared warning satellites in orbit, more precisely by the DSP, STSS and SBIRS systems.
Satellites monitor the entire globe and therefore missiles can be launched from any point on land or at sea that will be detected.
The second phase of the alert is carried out via fixed ground radars, namely: Cobra Dane (1 station in Alaska), PAVE PAWS (3 stations in 3 states), BMEWS (3 active stations in 3 states). These radars are intended to detect re-entry vehicles while still in space in order to confirm the initial warning coming from the satellites.
There are also mobile radars from the THAAD (TPY-2) and Aegis (SPY-1) systems and the radar mounted on a mobile naval platform, the SBX-1.
That said, the intention to send missiles via the South Pole via the FOBS concept was based on an attempt to surprise the enemy who kept their surveillance radar facing north. Today this is not irrelevant since it is much easier to launch missiles towards the north from SSBN submarines positioned south of the target. The effect is the same.
Not to mention that as said before, the alarm will be given anyway in view of the first phase of detection being orbital, through the IR surveillance satellites.
If there is a launch from the south there would still be USN Aegis components monitoring around the south face of the US that would give confirmation that the target is the US. Orbital vehicles via FOBS, ballistic (via SLBM) or via HGV are used.
It does not matter if the vehicle (warhead) reaches a high peak of up to 1200 km (ballistic missile), or orbits at a low level (150 km) or if it has been gliding (40 to 70 km). All will be detected.
As a ballistic missile or orbital vehicle it can be engaged by an SM-3 launched from an Aegis vessel. SM-3 Block IIA is being validated to intercept ICBM level threats.
As an HGV can be engaged by a THAAD while in the intermediate or terminal phase
As an hour the HGV has to descend to reach its target it would become the target of a system like the Patriot equipped with a PAC-3 MSE or an SM-6 when it drops to 35 km high in the terminal phase.
Ah! Does he maneuver? Now! rssss go pick coconuts with this maneuver. Airplane also maneuvers and not for that reason is invulnerable. This is the most ridiculous generalized idea that anyone has had the sloppiness to make and publicize. It is second only to the idea that eating mangoes and drinking milk is bad for you.
No wonder the Russians and Chinese are invented ways to pierce the American shield. Soon, the AB FIII destroyers will come into operation with SPY-6 radars with GaN 100 times more capable than the current SPY-1 and which together with missiles such as the SM-6, SM-6 Block IB and SM-3 Block IIA will be a tough nut to crack.
The USA is implementing a new AESA GaN-based radar for the Patriot system, which already has the PAC-3 MSE and is compatible with the Israeli Stunner.
The THAAD system is receiving AESA GaN radars and an ER (increased range) version is in development that will triple performance."
 
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