China and India relationship

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Quon_Duixote

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delft said:
India is joining SCO.
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Honestly, this is the best time to resolve the India- China border issue. Both the countries are led by strong leaders. However there is a dis-incentive for solving the border issue as well. Both these countries have swathes of populace that can be aroused with nationalistic feelings and I am sure the border issue, though vexatious, provides ample opportunities to powers that be within both countries to exploit. It is not just a matter of getting India and China to the table to discuss. On top of that India still harbors large number of Tibetan refugees in some of its northern states, which China sees as a potential breeding ground for Tibetan nationalism. Unless and until these issues are analyzed and resolved at a much fundamental level, the mistrust is going to continue and exacerbate. Having said that, I feel the top leadership of both the countries need to meet more often in case they are really serious to resolve their bilateral differences!
 
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Quon_Duixote said:
Honestly, this is the best time to resolve the India- China border issue. Both the countries are led by strong leaders. However there is a dis-incentive for solving the border issue as well. Both these countries have swathes of populace that can be aroused with nationalistic feelings and I am sure the border issue, though vexatious, provides ample opportunities to powers that be within both countries to exploit. It is not just a matter of getting India and China to the table to discuss. On top of that India still harbors large number of Tibetan refugees in some of its northern states, which China sees as a potential breeding ground for Tibetan nationalism. Unless and until these issues are analyzed and resolved at a much fundamental level, the mistrust is going to continue and exacerbate. Having said that, I feel the top leadership of both the countries need to meet more often in case they are really serious to resolve their bilateral differences!
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But it would be enough to close down the "Tibet government in exile". That would irritate US but few people will be interested.
 
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Alibaba IPO proves nothing. Germany and UK were largest trading partners and had closely integrated economies, but that didn't stop them from fighting each other in WWI. Escalating strategic rivalry between the US and China will get worse before it gets better, because the US is unwilling to share power with China, while China no longer accepts US primacy as basis of strategic order in Asia. Both sides expect the other to back down, and neither is willing to compromise.
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You do realize that the British prior to WW1 considered the Germans as barbaric as the Huns? That Germany was a backwater economy that was just beginning to industrialize and is shamelessly copying British goods? Britain definitely was not the "friend" of Prussia especially after they won the Franco-Prussian war and became the eminent power of continental Europe.

Doesn't history repeat itself? the British complaining that the Germans were copying their goods prior to ww1, Europe said that the USA was copying their goods prior to Nepolianic wars, the West said Japan was copying their goods prior to WW2 and imeadiately after, the west said Russia is copying their goods after WW1 till today, now the West is saying China is copying their goods?
 
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Blackstone said:
Alibaba IPO proves nothing. Germany and UK were largest trading partners and had closely integrated economies, but that didn't stop them from fighting each other in WWI. Escalating strategic rivalry between the US and China will get worse before it gets better, because the US is unwilling to share power with China, while China no longer accepts US primacy as basis of strategic order in Asia. Both sides expect the other to back down, and neither is willing to compromise.
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What does that has to do with the two countries economic scenario of TODAY? NOTHING. Is China or the US sanctioning each other right now? Nope. That's why you see Alibaba trading in the NYSE. You're putting geopolitical past with the economic scenario of today between two different countries. Both China and the US relies on each other economically regardless of the current tension and escalation is at. Even Japan relies on China to sustain it's economy as well and the two sides will continue to squable over disputed territory until the end of time.
 
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What does that has to do with the two countries economic scenario of TODAY? NOTHING. Is China or the US sanctioning each other right now? Nope. That's why you see Alibaba trading in the NYSE. You're putting geopolitical past with the economic scenario of today between two different countries. Both China and the US relies on each other economically regardless of the current tension and escalation is at. Even Japan relies on China to sustain it's economy as well and the two sides will continue to squable over disputed territory until the end of time.
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The point is economic engagements alone isn't enough to prevent conflicts. If you need a current example, look at Ukraine, Russia, and the EU. There are lots of commercial and economic ties between them, but that hasn't prevented invasion and conflicts.
 
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The point is economic engagements alone isn't enough to prevent conflicts. If you need a current example, look at Ukraine, Russia, and the EU. There are lots of commercial and economic ties between them, but that hasn't prevented invasion and conflicts.
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Nothing is guaranteed to prevent conflicts, but my point is these tensions will not hindered economic activities unless a full scale war is engage. The Ukraine conflict is more contentious because a lot is at stake plus it has actual people dying from the fighting, meanwhile there isn't anything like that happening over in the SCS and ECS disputed territories.
 
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Part of the decision to join will have been a considerartion that China and India will be able to solve the boundary problems.
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And given what we've seen from the pair, Sino-Indian boundary problems will be solved in about 500 years. On the other hand, five centuries isn't all that long in Chinese thinking.
 
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I'm looking forward to some progress on the territorial disputes. Of course any such progress won't be announced until the deal is signed and going to the Indian parliament for ratification. I expect the China position to be one of "give us 1% of our claims and we'll give up the other 99%" like they did with Tajikistan in 2011 when they settled for 5.5% of their original claim. Alternatively, China and India could both formally ratify the status quo as an end to the dispute. Either way, China is looking to end the dispute as a hindrance to Sino-Indian relations while at the same time not setting a precedent for giving up land.
 
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