China and India relationship

lol Jai Hind sad and butthurt now.

It is a shame Jai Hind cannot even build a CH or WL level MALE drone. Still working on them to this day and others have been doing it for close to a decade. Oh well. More trolls for the internet I guess since the real world work is too challenging.

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Temstar said:

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LOL... is this "tribune" Indian?? ... but eh ... lol

Does the writer seriously think this is how it works? Ahh there's a new and empty village constructed for this small community right there... let's go and CCP obviously wants us to move there and become Chinese citizens.

Strangelove said:

LOL....

Those cunning Chinese, with proper food, housing and working toilets, makes us look bad!

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680 thriving Chinese villages along Indian borders cause of concern, says expert​

Gandhinagar, September 25

In a shocking revelation, the Advisory Board of the Global Counter Terrorism Council has said that China has built 680 'Xiaokang' (prosperous or thriving villages) along its border with India.

These villages are meant to lure the Indian villagers towards a better Chinese life, and are also supposed to serve as additional eyes and ears for Beijing.

"China has built around 680 Xiaokang, which they call as 'well off' villages on our borders with them, and Bhutan borders. These villages are inhabited by their people who come and live in and impress the local Indian population how well off they are with the Chinese government.

"These are intelligence operations, security operations from their side. They try to 'turn people anti-India'. So we are training our police personnel, regarding these attempts and sensitising them on how to counter their moves," Krishan Varma, a member of the Advisory Board to the Global Counter Terrorism Council told IANS.

Varma, a former special secretary with the Government of India (GoI), was at the Rashtriya Raksha University (RRU) in Gandhinagar on Friday in a programme marking the end of a 12-day specialised training programme for 16 probationary Deputy Superintendents of Arunachal Pradesh Police at RRU. He's also the Emeritus Resource Faculty, School of International Cooperation, Security and Strategic Languages with Media at RRU.

"So the RRU has designed a special tailor-made course for Arunachal Pradesh Police, so as to counter the Chinese attempts of infiltration. The RRU-designed programme is specific to the needs of the northeastern state and was created in consultation with Arunachal Pradesh DGP RP Upadhyaya, who had visited Gujarat two months ago," said Varma.

The RRU sessions trained the personnel not only in forensics and investigation techniques but also provided an introduction to the dark web, cybercrime and crime scene management, internet banking, fraud, fake news detection, and Chinese and internal security challenges for police officers in the northeast.

"They (Chinese) are very advanced in the field of technology, especially the internet and social media. They are using social networking sites to mislead the people of India, to spread false narratives. So we taught them these. The northeastern border areas are very sensitive and it's absolutely necessary for them to know about such attempts of subversion," added Varma.

"We are also teaching them Mandarin (Chinese language) as the persons infiltrating speak it. The university has designed a one-year course which gives a basic knowledge of the language. In future, the RRU has plans to come up with five-year course of Masters, where they'll understand their culture, history, needs, habits and policies," added Varma. IANS

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ougoah said:

LOL... is this "tribune" Indian?? ... but eh ... lol

Does the writer seriously think this is how it works? Ahh there's a new and empty village constructed for this small community right there... let's go and CCP obviously wants us to move there and become Chinese citizens.

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I think it's safe to say that the Indian leadership is beyond redemption and China should focus all efforts on sidelining, balkanising and destroying India and i don't mean fire and brimstone glassing them, i mean keeping the indian subcontinent in a perpetual state of low intensity warfare and anarchy akin to Afghanistan.

How and why have i come to such a damning conclusions? Here's a sample:
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Bhadrakumar comes from the old guard of india's leaders who were socialists, Ranade, the author of the sub stack comes from the younger pro american stack whose definition of "non aligned" and "strategic autonomy" still involves treating China as an enemy.

Ranade contradicts himself by calling for "strategic autonomy" in one breath and then calling for increasing links to "other democracies" in the fight against "authoritarianism"; if this is the sentiment amongst the moderates of India, i dare say China should disabuse itself of the notion of India ever coming back into the anti-colonialist fold.

India is forever lost as a forever sepoy to the white anglo, no matter what they tell themselves; the only solution is India Delenda Est.

FangYuan said:

The same is true for Japan.

The Japanese are very disdainful, contemptuous and hostile towards China, and constantly seek to provoke China, even though they have committed many terrible crimes against China in the past.

In contrast, the Japanese fear and respect Russia and America, even though the Russians and Americans plundered a lot of Japanese territory after World War II, raping many Japanese women, torturing and mutilating them, kill many Japanese soldiers and civilians?

The Russians and Anglo-Saxons are very brutal to the Japanese, so the Japanese love them, respect them. The same is true of the UK and India

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I think it has less to do with history of oppression but more to do with India feeling like as Chinese influence grows in South Asia that their influence is declining. Look at Sri Lanka becoming pretty pro-China and having less sway over Nepal or Bangladesh for example.

Agnus said:

I think it has less to do with history of oppression but more to do with India feeling like as Chinese influence grows in South Asia that their influence is declining. Look at Sri Lanka becoming pretty pro-China and having less sway over Nepal or Bangladesh for example.

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I'd posit a more cynical view of the indian national character:

1) Massive sense of entitlement that hasn't been helped by white nations flattering indians over their 'democracy' even as they push indians to fight and die against China so that white supremacy can sit back and watch colours peoples kill each other.

2) Even when indians are aware enough of 1), they still persist in wanting to make war on China out of jealousy and false entitlement; their racism against mongoloid north easterners notwithstanding.

3) Decades of nursing a false victim complex about the '62 war which is strangely absent compared to their history of colonisation by the anglos leads one to the conclusion that indians perceive white anglos to be racially superior, like gods to them so it is no shame to be beaten and raped by anglo nations over centuries, but a massive humiliation to be defeated in a border war by Chinese who indians want to believe are racially inferior to them.

The cocktail of the above is going to lead to war because if even the 'moderates' and 'strategic autonomy' people are still framing the relationship with China as that of an enemy that must be defeated and contained since China is 'authoritarian', then China should India Delenda Est.

Finally, look at the outcome of the latest Quad meeting, where Biden was forced to say that the Quad is "INCLUSIVE" so as to pretend that the Quad was never about trying to contain China, when it very clearly is; notice how there's no more talk of "Make in India" and of India trying to get white nations to pull their factories out of China and into India? Notice also how despite Chinese aid to India, that the Indians and their media expressed ungratefulness and viciousness at having to accept charity from a nation they want to destroy because of their wounded pride? What does one make of that?

hashtagpls said:

I'd posit a more cynical view of the indian national character:

1) Massive sense of entitlement that hasn't been helped by white nations flattering indians over their 'democracy' even as they push indians to fight and die against China so that white supremacy can sit back and watch colours peoples kill each other.

2) Even when indians are aware enough of 1), they still persist in wanting to make war on China out of jealousy and false entitlement; their racism against mongoloid north easterners notwithstanding.

3) Decades of nursing a false victim complex about the '62 war which is strangely absent compared to their history of colonisation by the anglos leads one to the conclusion that indians perceive white anglos to be racially superior, like gods to them so it is no shame to be beaten and raped by anglo nations over centuries, but a massive humiliation to be defeated in a border war by Chinese who indians want to believe are racially inferior to them.

The cocktail of the above is going to lead to war because if even the 'moderates' and 'strategic autonomy' people are still framing the relationship with China as that of an enemy that must be defeated and contained since China is 'authoritarian', then China should India Delenda Est.

Finally, look at the outcome of the latest Quad meeting, where Biden was forced to say that the Quad is "INCLUSIVE" so as to pretend that the Quad was never about trying to contain China, when it very clearly is; notice how there's no more talk of "Make in India" and of India trying to get white nations to pull their factories out of China and into India? Notice also how despite Chinese aid to India, that the Indians and their media expressed ungratefulness and viciousness at having to accept charity from a nation they want to destroy because of their wounded pride? What does one make of that?

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India is very much into Religion ( that's putting it lightly). India's Issues with Pakistan is motivated by religion. And China is seen as the biggest enabler of Pakistani power.
So naturally, Indians believe China is enemy number 1 ( after, ofcourse, Pakistan).
But India is very much racist towards mongoloid people ( despite people of such ethnicity making up a sizeable population in certain parts of the country).

India wanted to be the most powerful big brother in the region since long. But then came China.

hashtagpls said:

I'd posit a more cynical view of the indian national character:

1) Massive sense of entitlement that hasn't been helped by white nations flattering indians over their 'democracy' even as they push indians to fight and die against China so that white supremacy can sit back and watch colours peoples kill each other.

2) Even when indians are aware enough of 1), they still persist in wanting to make war on China out of jealousy and false entitlement; their racism against mongoloid north easterners notwithstanding.

3) Decades of nursing a false victim complex about the '62 war which is strangely absent compared to their history of colonisation by the anglos leads one to the conclusion that indians perceive white anglos to be racially superior, like gods to them so it is no shame to be beaten and raped by anglo nations over centuries, but a massive humiliation to be defeated in a border war by Chinese who indians want to believe are racially inferior to them.

The cocktail of the above is going to lead to war because if even the 'moderates' and 'strategic autonomy' people are still framing the relationship with China as that of an enemy that must be defeated and contained since China is 'authoritarian', then China should India Delenda Est.

Finally, look at the outcome of the latest Quad meeting, where Biden was forced to say that the Quad is "INCLUSIVE" so as to pretend that the Quad was never about trying to contain China, when it very clearly is; notice how there's no more talk of "Make in India" and of India trying to get white nations to pull their factories out of China and into India? Notice also how despite Chinese aid to India, that the Indians and their media expressed ungratefulness and viciousness at having to accept charity from a nation they want to destroy because of their wounded pride? What does one make of that?

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Although a majority, this sentiment is at the moment still limited to the BJP/RSS, jai hind shouting crowd. It's just that those RSS and Hindutva sentiments have all the fuel they need to continue within India and all the forces pushing for its continuation e.g. humiliatingly slow and poor progress, foreign powers eroding Indian influence and power projection, constantly at war with Pakistan and so on. Being marketed and successfully sold off as the ailment to all those... Hindutva unity will cement and make India strong... yes and no but they will only ever focus on the yes part. Unity is something they will get with Hindutva but look at this region. Is that the smartest play?

So you're both right but Indian chauvinism and these attitudes you mentioned will only get stronger with time. So yeah your outlook on India is right and how it should be treated and acted upon. Starting with Afghanistan the main players are already setting their moves and there is no mystery why India is that pissed off and bitchy about USA moving out of Afghanistan.

All the negative aspects of India is exactly what is fueling those RSS Hindutva types and sentiments. It will kill them and be their undoing ironically. They believe whole heartedly it is going to be the saving grace for India but it is poorly informed, low intelligence men, promoted to high ranks through emotion and political demagoguery. Once competence, experience, cunning, and intelligence are removed from your leadership class, there is only failure. their entire mechanism is also fraught with pitfalls. No one has ever developed successfully using true democracy in the 20th century. So the wrong development model from starting at 0 and the wrong people leading the wrong model... what can go right? Only prayer they have is heavy and unlimited foreign assistance in comprehensive manner. They are the world's greatest reciepient of aid for no small reason. Oh how the west want to prop up India and how poorly India fails and capitalising on its given advantages e.g. established infrastructure and systems, organised institutions with well established rulebooks and how to operate... thing China trialed and erorred for decades... management management management. And yet India fails spectacularly.

How it fails and how that failure is managed by itself and regional stakeholders is another matter. A nation led by ideology and demagoguery is not going anywhere. At least the early CCP had cunning and intelligence if nothing else. Then after Mao the CCP no longer was a nation led by political and religious or racial ideology like India is today. So accusations of China being the same is hilariously incorrect and missing a lot of nuance. India will be like China during Mao's era, full of "great leaps forward" but actually doing a lot of harm to itself. If this was a cost for establishing genuine independence and self serving policies that eventually work (in China's case removing a lot of unwanted foreign influence and forces at least during Mao), then sure it would be one heavy step back but many steps forward in the future... the thing is Modi is no Mao and BJP is no CCP. They are simply uneducated village idiots with even lower knowledge and lower advisory. Combine that with greater social problems, there is no silver lining to this dark cloud unlike China's "great leap forward", it will just be short and long term negatives.

China needs to know India is remaining unfriendly and a constant thorn. It should not expect much from it ever in terms of rescuing relations. Not for many decades at the very least. Afghanistan seems like a new opportunity and Pakistan as always an important strategic ally in this respect.

ougoah said:

India will be like China during Mao's era

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I don't think India's literacy rate will quadruple or life expectancy to double.

I instead think that India is more like Late Qing - looking for foreign approval, trying to fit foreign ideas in without understanding why they work, and being humiliated over and over again by a neighboring Asian power.

FairAndUnbiased said:

I don't think India's literacy rate will quadruple or life expectancy to double.

I instead think that India is more like Late Qing - looking for foreign approval, trying to fit foreign ideas in without understanding why they work, and being humiliated over and over again by a neighboring Asian power.

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My point was that although Mao's policies had huge devastating negatives for China, it at least managed to overhaul a deeply broken country. Along with warring groups, they at least got rid of the Emperor which was corrupted at the end (not even just talking about the last ones and Manchukuo) and since at least the 19th century, had failure after failure of attempting to even begin modernising China properly. That's the silver lining. ROC got rid of bad leaders. CCP then got rid of KMT lol and created the PRC.

With India, they want to promote a greater and deeper sense of Indian unity but on the back on religion LOL nice choice (not). China's method of equivalent task was to promote unity (during PRC era) based on class and equality of peoples then sort of promoting the idea that everyone is sort of Han Chinese so remove racial tensions and if not Han then at least Chinese as any other and of equal class - all proletariat rising up against foreign and domestic evils etc etc. That is a far smarter way of unifying. At least it is built on promoting equality and equity as opposed to India's "i AmS borN oF sTATUREEE!!! Respekt muh aaLLtoRiTeee! pleeej sarr!". Beating up Muslims for selling things in Hindu quarters, forcing lower castes to drink from the shoes of higher castes, public lynchings and whippings. So yeah never go full retard and India dived into a pool of full retards.

But never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. In China's case however, we want India to turn around unlike say Pakistan or some other neighbours. We'd prefer India be more sensible and turn itself around with the right foundations. Why? Because this path leads to direct and certain conflict of some scale unknown.