Can the US derail 2025?

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Jono

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and developed countries shipping and dumping their garbage to underdeveloped countries, then criticizing the local governments for polluting the earth!
case in point, Canadian shipments of garbage rejected by the Philippines. Duterte threatening to go to war with Canada if the latter does not take back their garbage.
 

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and developed countries shipping and dumping their garbage to underdeveloped countries, then criticizing the local governments for polluting the earth!
case in point, Canadian shipments of garbage rejected by the Philippines. Duterte threatening to go to war with Canada if the latter does not take back their garbage.

Malaysia hopping mad after Canada sent them garbage.


 
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Max Demian

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Yes, I got no problem with your high standards, but what is your opinion on my post no.65 with regards to whole community loosing their livelihood because of people like you and your high standards?

I am not familiar with that particular story. However, I am familiar with stories of Syrian refugee children been exploited in factories in Turkey.

I find it distressing to hear that you support full time child labor. You do realize that by robbing these children of their right to education you are condemning them to a lifetime of poverty?
 

solarz

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I am not familiar with that particular story. However, I am familiar with stories of Syrian refugee children been exploited in factories in Turkey.

I find it distressing to hear that you support full time child labor. You do realize that by robbing these children of their right to education you are condemning them to a lifetime of poverty?

That's a false dichotomy. You're assuming that if those kids were not working in factories, they'd be in school.

That is, frankly, an inane assumption.
 

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Very biased writings at best. Completely garbage at worst.


Who do you think the writer would be?
A GROUP of people who advocate Taiwan Independence and Westernization of China.
 

Max Demian

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That's a false dichotomy. You're assuming that if those kids were not working in factories, they'd be in school.

That is, frankly, an inane assumption.

And you know that for a fact?

The question was whether I would reward those companies who produce and sell their wares through exploitation of children and adults with my money. The answer is no.
I would outlaw all business with such entities.
 

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And you know that for a fact?

The question was whether I would reward those companies who produce and sell their wares through exploitation of children and adults with my money. The answer is no.
I would outlaw all business with such entities.

Start with Walmart.

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Employees at a Quebec Walmart made history by unionizing their store. Six months later, management shut it down
 

solarz

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And you know that for a fact?

The question was whether I would reward those companies who produce and sell their wares through exploitation of children and adults with my money. The answer is no.
I would outlaw all business with such entities.

Yes, I know this for a fact, because China went through this exact thing in the 90's. The end result was that older siblings provided enough income for the family to send younger siblings to school, and thus ensured a future for the family.

Exactly the opposite of what you believe would happen.
 

Max Demian

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Yes, I know this for a fact, because China went through this exact thing in the 90's. The end result was that older siblings provided enough income for the family to send younger siblings to school, and thus ensured a future for the family.

Exactly the opposite of what you believe would happen.

Very few developing countries were historically anywhere near as successful as China, in their journey out of poverty. I would imagine that state support for education had a lot to do with this. Just look at what's happening in India, Bangladesh and the like, where children are working full time from a very young age and as a consequence their workforce has a perpetual lack of educated and skilled workers.

But as to your example. I am curious to know what percentage of families in China could have been like that? What about the ones with just a single child? Those that were able to school their second, third, etc child had to register them and pay hefty fines to the government. They could only do that if they were well off in the first place, had support from their extended family, or were a minority. Or would they knowingly not register their first child? In either case, sounds too exceptional for a generalization. But do correct me where I am wrong.
 
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solarz

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Very few developing countries were historically anywhere near as successful as China, in their journey out of poverty. I would imagine that state support for education had a lot to do with this. Just look at what's happening in India, Bangladesh and the like, where children are working full time from a very young age and as a consequence their workforce has a perpetual lack of educated and skilled workers.

But as to your example. I am curious to know what percentage of families in China could have been like that? What about the ones with just a single child? Those that were able to school their second, third, etc child had to register them and pay hefty fines to the government. They could only do that if they were well off in the first place, had support from their extended family, or were a minority. Or would they knowingly not register their first child? In either case, sounds too exceptional for a generalization. But do correct me where I am wrong.

Your knowledge about China is lacking, and it shows.

The Family Planning policy only became mandatory in the early 80's, so there were a lot of older kids with siblings in the 90's. Even after it took effect, rural families were allowed a second child if their first was a girl. Ethnic minorities, who tended to live in the less developed regions, were not subject to the policy at all.

The reason a lot of children in rural areas could not afford to go to school was precisely because they had siblings, and thus the family had a lot of mouths to feed. Families with only one child were comparatively better off, although this was rare in rural regions. Most families with only one child would have been able to send their child to school.

The problem with your belief is that you think working in a factory is preventing children from attending school, when it's the other way around: those children are working at factories because their families cannot afford to send them to school, whether that's because school itself is too expensive, or because they cannot afford to lose the income that the child provides. Closing factories that employ children would only result in those kids being forced into more dangerous work for less pay.
 
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