Can the US derail 2025?


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tower9

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Very detailed and insightful post on Quora that I found.

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Looks like the high end chip supply lines and aircraft is where China has the greatest vulnerabilities. It will take a lot of resources and time for China to recover if these supplies were cut off, as the Huawei and ZTE cases have demonstrated.

The COMAC project is extremely vulnerable. It will essentially be dead if it lost Western components, which make up essentially the entire core guts of the plane. The Chinese components are only the shell of the plane.

China's smartphones are extremely vulnerable to getting cut off. DJI is as well.

China is stronger in other industries however.
 

Equation

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Finally: what would the USA government think?

China: Increase the prices for rare earth elements that ALL of your electronics depended on. Meanwhile keeping the Made in China 2025 train chugging along.

USA: Oh, I didn’t know you have this power. Now I shouldn't have started this trade war in the first place. Damn that Trump president of ours!
 

Max Demian

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Finally: what would the USA government think?

China: Increase the prices for rare earth elements that ALL of your electronics depended on. Meanwhile keeping the Made in China 2025 train chugging along.

USA: Oh, I didn’t know you have this power. Now I shouldn't have started this trade war in the first place. Damn that Trump president of ours!
China already played that card once before, in 2010. It hadn't worked back then and it has even less of a chance of working this time around.
 

Hendrik_2000

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China already played that card once before, in 2010. It hadn't worked back then and it has even less of a chance of working this time around.
It does not work because China comply with WTO ruling . But this time around all bet are off since China retaliate against unilateral imposition of tariff which is verboten under WTO

The Chinese Ministry of Commerce will establish a "List of unreliable entities" on individuals, companies and organizations that do not comply with market rules, or that seriously undermine the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese companies. "An eye for an eye" ?


 

vincent

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Very detailed and insightful post on Quora that I found.

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Plenty of errors. The dude should have spent a few minutes to google each area first

DJI

Communication standards - hmm - perhaps we need to design our own standard in case of the future blockade from WIFI, Bluetooth, SD and JEDEC standard committees.
Standards are mean to be open. Everyone just follow the same set of rules

GPS signals - we have an alternative from Beidou, check.
GPS signals can't be blocked to a particular user

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The majority of the C919 program’s key components, such as the engines and avionics systems, are supplied by western companies such as Collins Aerospace, GE Aviation and Honeywell Aerospace – which all have joint ventures and partnerships with Chinese companies supplying COMAC. The corporation requires foreign suppliers to manufacture parts made for the C919 in China.

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Hendrik_2000

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I am glad he speak up at least he is not a lackey as some western media said. H e know when an injustice is perpetrated

Preventing China from growing neither possible nor wise: Singaporean PM
Source: Xinhua| 2019-05-31 23:33:06|Editor: Mu Xuequan


SINGAPORE, May 31 (Xinhua) -- Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said here Friday that countries need to accustom themselves to a larger role for China, and it is neither possible nor wise to prevent the world's second-largest economy from growing.

"Countries have to accept that China will continue to grow and strengthen, and that it is neither possible nor wise for them to prevent this from happening," Lee said during his keynote speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue in this city-state.

China has totally changed since it started opening up 40 years ago, and its gross domestic product (GDP) has grown by more than 25 times in real terms, Lee said.

"On many counts, China's growth is a tremendous boon, both for itself and the world," Lee told the participants at the annual security dialogue.

"China has become a massive production and manufacturing base, lowering costs for the world's producers ... It is also a huge market, importing everything from commodities and electronic components to aircraft and fine wines," he said.

New international rules need to be made in many areas, Lee said. "China will expect a say in this process, because it sees the present rules as having been created in the past without its participation. This is a reasonable expectation."

Commenting on the China-U.S. relationship, Lee said it is the most important in the world today. "How the two work out their relations and frictions will define the international environment for decades to come."

"The bottom line is that the U.S. and China need to work together, and with other countries too, to bring the global system up to date, and to not upend the system," he added.

To succeed in this, he said each must understand the other's point of view, and reconcile each other's interests.


Lee said a prolonged period of tension and uncertainty between China and the United States will be "extremely damaging."


"Many serious international problems like the Korean situation, nuclear non-proliferation, and climate change cannot be tackled without the full participation of the U.S. and China, together with other countries."

What's more, the tension between China and the United States can cause damage to the world economy especially in "globalized markets and production chains."

Lee said that he hoped that the United States and China "find a constructive way forward, competing certainly, but at the same time cooperating on major issues of mutual interest."

The Shangri-La Dialogue, officially known as the Asia Security Summit, kicked off Friday and will last till June 2 in Singapore with a focus on the security situation and relevant challenges in the Asia-Pacific.
 

Gatekeeper

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China already played that card once before, in 2010. It hadn't worked back then and it has even less of a chance of working this time around.
You wish! Last time China was just playing with it. All done within the "rules".

This times, the gloves are off, and playing hardball, but still within the rules but under the "national security" umbrella, if Trump can use "national security" within WTO rules, China can do the same. And this time is not going to be pretty!

It would have a devastating effect on the US economy, at worse, it would put a halt to all productions requiring rare earth elements, at best, prices is going to skyrocket. You tell me who's between the rock and hard place!
 

Gatekeeper

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I am glad he speak up at least he is not a lackey as some western media said. H e know when an injustice is perpetrated

Preventing China from growing neither possible nor wise: Singaporean PM
Source: Xinhua| 2019-05-31 23:33:06|Editor: Mu Xuequan


SINGAPORE, May 31 (Xinhua) -- Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said here Friday that countries need to accustom themselves to a larger role for China, and it is neither possible nor wise to prevent the world's second-largest economy from growing.

"Countries have to accept that China will continue to grow and strengthen, and that it is neither possible nor wise for them to prevent this from happening," Lee said during his keynote speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue in this city-state.

China has totally changed since it started opening up 40 years ago, and its gross domestic product (GDP) has grown by more than 25 times in real terms, Lee said.

"On many counts, China's growth is a tremendous boon, both for itself and the world," Lee told the participants at the annual security dialogue.

"China has become a massive production and manufacturing base, lowering costs for the world's producers ... It is also a huge market, importing everything from commodities and electronic components to aircraft and fine wines," he said.

New international rules need to be made in many areas, Lee said. "China will expect a say in this process, because it sees the present rules as having been created in the past without its participation. This is a reasonable expectation."

Commenting on the China-U.S. relationship, Lee said it is the most important in the world today. "How the two work out their relations and frictions will define the international environment for decades to come."

"The bottom line is that the U.S. and China need to work together, and with other countries too, to bring the global system up to date, and to not upend the system," he added.

To succeed in this, he said each must understand the other's point of view, and reconcile each other's interests.


Lee said a prolonged period of tension and uncertainty between China and the United States will be "extremely damaging."


"Many serious international problems like the Korean situation, nuclear non-proliferation, and climate change cannot be tackled without the full participation of the U.S. and China, together with other countries."

What's more, the tension between China and the United States can cause damage to the world economy especially in "globalized markets and production chains."

Lee said that he hoped that the United States and China "find a constructive way forward, competing certainly, but at the same time cooperating on major issues of mutual interest."

The Shangri-La Dialogue, officially known as the Asia Security Summit, kicked off Friday and will last till June 2 in Singapore with a focus on the security situation and relevant challenges in the Asia-Pacific.
Resistance is futile and unproductive.
 
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