Can the US derail 2025?

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Gatekeeper

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None of the usual consumer items you currently buy are likely made by companies that meet all criteria listed. If anything, Chinese workers are probably better compensated than some other developing countries you have not listed. But since you insist on termination trade with such companies, I suggest you stop using almost all consumer products(Computer, smartphone, TV, Auto, household appliance, etc) as even products made in developed countries contain many parts from companies not compliant with your criteria.

Fair or hypocrite much? Don't say the criteria only applies to China.

I had this debate with a poster somewhere else, and I suggest he should stop using his Iphone to write his reply on if he feel so strongly about it. And stop eating those delicious strewberry that was "so cheap" because it was picked by cheap polish labourer in his own country!

The reality bites.
 

Gatekeeper

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China has all those social security benefit which rock have you been hiding all those years In fact most Chinese worker retire at 55 and Health cost are reimbursed 60% and going up with every year They do have at least 3 or even more weeks holiday per year
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People living in the west still think China is a "slave labour economy", but then it's not their fault, because they get most of their news about China from their free MSM!
 

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I get my information first hand from Chinese expats many of whom stem from rural families. The picture they paint is quite different and in line with articles like this:
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But it's good that there are companies that meet my criteria. Those are the ones we should be doing business with. I have no doubt there will be many more to come should we be firmer about our standards. And this applies to companies in general, not just in China. If it means paying more for certain consumer products, I am totally OK with that.

I got no problem with your high standards. But I bet you go about in your daily life without half of the stuff us average Joe have in our lives.

So unless you are extremely rich, and could afford stuff made without use "slave labour" or you live in a tree house.
 

Gatekeeper

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Here comes another typical Western liberal who speaks one size fits all universal norms and standards. You imply your norms and standards are golden standards for all societies across the globe regardless of native conditions and circumstances. If those societies that come up short to these golden standards then they are not of worthy of trades and be damned and cursed their governments? Basically you are assuming you speak for the best of all the humanity because the rest of the world haven't figured it out yet that those things are desirable? Even US of A can't meet your utopia standards.
How convenient and shallow is your thought process. Is that what your western education brought to you? That's the best you can figure out so far in your life?

When you Westerners complain China coming up short with glass half full, Chinese brought out the smaller glass and get on with fetching more water.

Don't apply your liberal values outside your borders. It only brings war, strife and regime change.

I remember a few years back when jounalist decided to pick on a factory making Nike trainers using "child labour- as young as 12" in Turkey.

The uproar in the UK that stirred up, (never mind that the UK itself in the 1960s have children aged 14 in full time work).

Anyway, the upshot was Nike decided the publicity was bad and decided to do something about it leaving hundreds of family that depends on their "child's income" in poverty. Hope they sleep well at night, these moral liberal elite.
 

Max Demian

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I got no problem with your high standards. But I bet you go about in your daily life without half of the stuff us average Joe have in our lives.

So unless you are extremely rich, and could afford stuff made without use "slave labour" or you live in a tree house.

Buying products from a company that exploits human labor is tantamount to supporting such practice. I think it's in the interest of all of us to call that behaviour out and stand up to it. Same goes for environmental pollution.
 

AssassinsMace

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All the West does is outsource their pollution so they can look environmentally conscience. If they were so upstanding they wouldn't buy from those countries yet they do. Again is it because a gun is pointed to their heads? No it's by choice and goes against their own supposedly beliefs. It's like how President Duterte of the Philippines and Manny Pacquiao have been criticized for their public homophobic remarks. And where did they learn them? Their Catholic religion. And do they take responsibility? No they just criticize something they taught them to believe in the first place. They don't stop their religion from spreading hate. I just saw a news story today of the harshest homophobic laws rising in developing countries. Guess what they all have in common? They were all former colonies of the British. Where's your conscience now?
 

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Buying products from a company that exploits human labor is tantamount to supporting such practice. I think it's in the interest of all of us to call that behaviour out and stand up to it. Same goes for environmental pollution.

Don't buy any fruits then

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Gatekeeper

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Buying products from a company that exploits human labor is tantamount to supporting such practice. I think it's in the interest of all of us to call that behaviour out and stand up to it. Same goes for environmental pollution.

Yes, I got no problem with your high standards, but what is your opinion on my post no.65 with regards to whole community loosing their livelihood because of people like you and your high standards?
 
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