Artificial Intelligence thread

[tphuang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2068059167307522157

GLM-5.2 is just such a huge leap for Chinese models. it was like the leap that Claude made with Opus 4.6 (or even 4.5) that suddenly catapulted them ahead of everyone and everyone switched to Claude code. There was a fear or theory online that Anthropic had achieved RSI which will just catapult them so far ahead of Chinese models. But if we think of 5.2 as Chinese Opus 4.6, then Zai is essentially 4 months behind with similar cadence level.

 

[Topazchen]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2068059167307522157

GLM-5.2 is just such a huge leap for Chinese models. it was like the leap that Claude made with Opus 4.6 (or even 4.5) that suddenly catapulted them ahead of everyone and everyone switched to Claude code. There was a fear or theory online that Anthropic had achieved RSI which will just catapult them so far ahead of Chinese models. But if we think of 5.2 as Chinese Opus 4.6, then Zai is essentially 4 months behind with similar cadence level.

The are now besting Fable 5 on web design. Crazy

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2068030598028087788

 

[Eventine]

So now that we’ve had the DeepSeek moment and the GLM moment for LLMs, I’m still waiting for the “ByteDance moment” when a Chinese frontier model overtakes Western frontier models decisively and holds the position for many months. So ByteDance, are you going to be the one to give it to us?

 

[9dashline]

So now that we’ve had the DeepSeek moment and the GLM moment for LLMs, I’m still waiting for the “ByteDance moment” when a Chinese frontier model overtakes Western frontier models decisively and holds the position for many months. So ByteDance, are you going to be the one to give it to us?

Seeddance already killed Sora so.... its up to someone else to take up the mantel

 

[meedicx]

So now that we’ve had the DeepSeek moment and the GLM moment for LLMs, I’m still waiting for the “ByteDance moment” when a Chinese frontier model overtakes Western frontier models decisively and holds the position for many months. So ByteDance, are you going to be the one to give it to us?

Alibaba has a good chance as well.

Qwen has been getting monthly releases, especially Qwen Max
Qwen devs have stated they are focusing to achieve SOTA instead of their previous open source focus
Qwen Max 3.7 was a big upgrade from 3.6 max in just one month and surprisingly strong in reasoning tasks but still a bit behind in agent/coding

They should be releasing a model next week given their previous history. There's also a rumor of Qwen Max 4.0 releasing in the summer.

 

[iewgnem]

So now that we’ve had the DeepSeek moment and the GLM moment for LLMs, I’m still waiting for the “ByteDance moment” when a Chinese frontier model overtakes Western frontier models decisively and holds the position for many months. So ByteDance, are you going to be the one to give it to us?

GLM still too expensive to be widely used, they can at best move up to Nong, DS and Kimi still Shi on real world usage.

 

[Wrought]

“You don’t need God to write your email.”

On OpenRouter, a platform that helps developers direct tasks to different AI models, those from DeepSeek, Tencent, Minimax, and Xiaomi are now the four

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. Vercel, another AI service provider, said DeepSeek’s share of token usage jumped from under 1% to 17% in May, although its share of revenue stayed near 1%. Tokens are the units of text or data that AI models process.

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[Michael90]

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Oh wow….i never knew he worked for open AI before leaving to form Anthropocene with his sister. Interesting .

 

[Michael90]

GLM still too expensive to be widely used, they can at best move up to Nong, DS and Kimi still Shi on real world usage.
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Why do you think they made the cost so high? I guess it’s because they are confident it’s powerful enough compared to anything china and the world has (excluding Claude ). Plus they are still relatively cheaper than Claude frontier model, so I think they will be okay. At some point it won’t be sustainable to keep making all your frontier models open source for free. There will come a time where Chinese models will have to also start focusing on monetization.
zhipu just seems to be ahead of the curve in this aspect. Though I agree they should have made it a it less expensive to attract more users first and establish themselves like Claude did in enterprise environment.

 

[9dashline]

Oh wow….i never knew he worked for open AI before leaving to form Anthropocene with his sister. Interesting .

He worked at Baidu first lol

Before that he used to be a biologist before getting into IT