ARM cuts ties with Huawei, threatening future chip designs

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SteelBird

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Things are worse now. I heard that even WiFi cuts connection with Huawei. Will Bluetooth be the next? wonder how can that be?
 

Hendrik_2000

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Things are worse now. I heard that even WiFi cuts connection with Huawei. Will Bluetooth be the next? wonder how can that be?

I think Huawei and China will be ok They have faced daunted challenge in the past and every time they overcome it.
China and the Chinese should believe in themselves and look back into their own history for inspiration. This latest challenge will forced them to double up on being independence in technology as they have no other option . The easy way out is closed to them

Listen to what Lee Kuan Yew said as he reminisce and marvel at the achievement of his humble Chinese peasant origin and their descendant. " the quality of their people that is what make china" he said

Lee Kuan Yew compares the starting point of Singaporeans and Chinese, demonstrates the quality of China’s population, and decides that China will take off Lee Kuan Yew commented on China's boutique collection:
He is anti communist but he is not anti China as China changes for the better his view of China changes too
 
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dratsabknihcllik

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I think this is the most suitable thread to post the news that some Huawei packages destined to China have somehow diverted to the U.S.
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MAY 28, 2019 / 12:22 AM / UPDATED 9 HOURS AGO
Exclusive: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
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HONG KONG (Reuters) - Chinese telecoms equipment maker Huawei is reviewing its relationship with FedEx Corp after it claimed the U.S. package delivery company, without detailed explanation, diverted two parcels destined for Huawei addresses in Asia to the United States and attempted to reroute two others.


FILE PHOTO: A Huawei company logo is seen at the security exhibition in Shanghai, China May 24, 2019. REUTERS/Aly Song/File Photo
Huawei told Reuters on Friday that FedEx diverted two packages sent from Japan and addressed to Huawei in China to the United States, and attempted to divert two more packages sent from Vietnam to Huawei offices elsewhere in Asia, all without authorization, providing images of FedEx tracking records.

Reuters could not verify the authenticity of the records. Shown the images of the tracking records, FedEx declined to make any comment, saying company policy prevented it from disclosing customer information.

Huawei said the four packages only contained documents and “no technology,” which Reuters was unable to independently confirm.

Huawei declined to elaborate on why it thought the packages were diverted. Reuters was given no evidence the incident was related to the U.S. government’s move to place Huawei and its affiliates on a trade blacklist in mid-May, effectively banning U.S. firms from doing business with them on security grounds.

“The recent experiences where important commercial documents sent via FedEx were not delivered to their destination, and instead were either diverted to, or were requested to be diverted to, FedEx in the United States, undermines our confidence,” Joe Kelly, a spokesman for Huawei, told Reuters. “We will now have to review our logistics and document delivery support requirements as a direct result of these incidents,” the spokesman said.


Huawei acknowledged to Reuters that one package originating in Vietnam was received by Friday, and the other was on its way, according to FedEx tracking records provided by Huawei.

FedEx spokeswoman Maury Donahue told Reuters the packages were “misrouted in error” and that FedEx was not requested to divert them by any other party.

“This is an isolated issue limited to a very small number of packages,” said FedEx, referring to the four parcels affected. “We are aware of all shipments at issue and are working directly with our customers to return the packages to their possession.”

The U.S. Department of Commerce did not reply to a request for comment on whether the incident might be related to its move on May 16 to add Huawei to the so-called “Entity List,” preventing it buying certain items from U.S. companies without U.S. government approval.

FORMAL COMPLAINT
The United States believes Huawei, the world’s largest telecom network gear maker leading the way in creating the next generation of wireless networks known as 5G, is a potential espionage threat because of its close ties with the Chinese government.


Huawei has repeatedly denied it is controlled by the Chinese government, military or intelligence services.

The issue has become a flashpoint in an escalating trade battle between the world’s two biggest economies.

The two packages sent on May 19 and May 20 from Tokyo, intended for Huawei in China, ended up in Memphis, Tennessee, the headquarters of the U.S. company, by May 23, according to images of FedEx tracking records shown to Reuters by Huawei.

The two packages originating from Hanoi on May 17, destined for Huawei’s Hong Kong and Singapore offices, were held up after arriving in local FedEx stations in Hong Kong and Singapore on May 21 for “delivery exception,” according to other images Huawei showed Reuters.

According to FedEx’s website, the status “exception” means an unexpected event is preventing delivery of a package, for example a customs delay, a holiday, or no one being available to accept delivery. FedEx declined to give details on what the exception was in this case.

According to Huawei, a FedEx customer service representative in Vietnam replied to their inquiry on May 22 when two expected packages did not arrive on time, saying: “Please be informed that FDX SG received notification from FDX US to hold and return the package to US. Hence, the shipment is not deliver to consignee and now being hold at FDX station and under process to RTS it (return to sender),” the representative wrote in broken English, according to an email Huawei showed to Reuters.

Huawei told Reuters that both Vietnam packages were sent by its shipping agent, a contractor to Huawei whom it did not identify, and contained urgent documents. It said the shipping agent refused permission for FedEx to send the packages to the United States and instructed they be returned, Huawei told Reuters. Reuters could not confirm that.


Huawei told Reuters it only learned that the Japan-originated packages, which were sent by suppliers that it did not identify, had been diverted to the United States after checking FedEx’s tracking record.

The company said it has lodged a formal complaint with China’s postal regulator, which it said is investigating the incident. China’s State Postal Bureau did not return a request for comment.

Reporting by Sijia Jiang in Hong Kong; Additional reporting by Lisa Baertlein in Los Angeles, James Pearson in Hanoi, Ankit Ajmera in Bengaluru and Yawen Chen in Beijing; Editing by Bill Rigby

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I think this could have been an error but judging by the circumstances I am not certain whether there was any malicious intent. To justify FedEx's action one can say that if they wanted they could have simply not updated the records, and thus Huawei would not have known about the incident.
 

LesAdieux

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I think this is the most suitable thread to post the news that some Huawei packages destined to China have somehow diverted to the U.S.
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MAY 28, 2019 / 12:22 AM / UPDATED 9 HOURS AGO
Exclusive: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'
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HONG KONG (Reuters) - Chinese telecoms equipment maker Huawei is reviewing its relationship with FedEx Corp after it claimed the U.S. package delivery company, without detailed explanation, diverted two parcels destined for Huawei addresses in Asia to the United States and attempted to reroute two others.


FILE PHOTO: A Huawei company logo is seen at the security exhibition in Shanghai, China May 24, 2019. REUTERS/Aly Song/File Photo
Huawei told Reuters on Friday that FedEx diverted two packages sent from Japan and addressed to Huawei in China to the United States, and attempted to divert two more packages sent from Vietnam to Huawei offices elsewhere in Asia, all without authorization, providing images of FedEx tracking records.

Reuters could not verify the authenticity of the records. Shown the images of the tracking records, FedEx declined to make any comment, saying company policy prevented it from disclosing customer information.

Huawei said the four packages only contained documents and “no technology,” which Reuters was unable to independently confirm.

Huawei declined to elaborate on why it thought the packages were diverted. Reuters was given no evidence the incident was related to the U.S. government’s move to place Huawei and its affiliates on a trade blacklist in mid-May, effectively banning U.S. firms from doing business with them on security grounds.

“The recent experiences where important commercial documents sent via FedEx were not delivered to their destination, and instead were either diverted to, or were requested to be diverted to, FedEx in the United States, undermines our confidence,” Joe Kelly, a spokesman for Huawei, told Reuters. “We will now have to review our logistics and document delivery support requirements as a direct result of these incidents,” the spokesman said.


Huawei acknowledged to Reuters that one package originating in Vietnam was received by Friday, and the other was on its way, according to FedEx tracking records provided by Huawei.

FedEx spokeswoman Maury Donahue told Reuters the packages were “misrouted in error” and that FedEx was not requested to divert them by any other party.

“This is an isolated issue limited to a very small number of packages,” said FedEx, referring to the four parcels affected. “We are aware of all shipments at issue and are working directly with our customers to return the packages to their possession.”

The U.S. Department of Commerce did not reply to a request for comment on whether the incident might be related to its move on May 16 to add Huawei to the so-called “Entity List,” preventing it buying certain items from U.S. companies without U.S. government approval.

FORMAL COMPLAINT
The United States believes Huawei, the world’s largest telecom network gear maker leading the way in creating the next generation of wireless networks known as 5G, is a potential espionage threat because of its close ties with the Chinese government.


Huawei has repeatedly denied it is controlled by the Chinese government, military or intelligence services.

The issue has become a flashpoint in an escalating trade battle between the world’s two biggest economies.

The two packages sent on May 19 and May 20 from Tokyo, intended for Huawei in China, ended up in Memphis, Tennessee, the headquarters of the U.S. company, by May 23, according to images of FedEx tracking records shown to Reuters by Huawei.

The two packages originating from Hanoi on May 17, destined for Huawei’s Hong Kong and Singapore offices, were held up after arriving in local FedEx stations in Hong Kong and Singapore on May 21 for “delivery exception,” according to other images Huawei showed Reuters.

According to FedEx’s website, the status “exception” means an unexpected event is preventing delivery of a package, for example a customs delay, a holiday, or no one being available to accept delivery. FedEx declined to give details on what the exception was in this case.

According to Huawei, a FedEx customer service representative in Vietnam replied to their inquiry on May 22 when two expected packages did not arrive on time, saying: “Please be informed that FDX SG received notification from FDX US to hold and return the package to US. Hence, the shipment is not deliver to consignee and now being hold at FDX station and under process to RTS it (return to sender),” the representative wrote in broken English, according to an email Huawei showed to Reuters.

Huawei told Reuters that both Vietnam packages were sent by its shipping agent, a contractor to Huawei whom it did not identify, and contained urgent documents. It said the shipping agent refused permission for FedEx to send the packages to the United States and instructed they be returned, Huawei told Reuters. Reuters could not confirm that.


Huawei told Reuters it only learned that the Japan-originated packages, which were sent by suppliers that it did not identify, had been diverted to the United States after checking FedEx’s tracking record.

The company said it has lodged a formal complaint with China’s postal regulator, which it said is investigating the incident. China’s State Postal Bureau did not return a request for comment.

Reporting by Sijia Jiang in Hong Kong; Additional reporting by Lisa Baertlein in Los Angeles, James Pearson in Hanoi, Ankit Ajmera in Bengaluru and Yawen Chen in Beijing; Editing by Bill Rigby

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I think this could have been an error but judging by the circumstances I am not certain whether there was any malicious intent. To justify FedEx's action one can say that if they wanted they could have simply not updated the records, and thus Huawei would not have known about the incident.



haha, Pence, Pompeo and their bastard-thug-cohort own us an explaination: american firms play by the rules.
 

dratsabknihcllik

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IF STRICTLY ENFORCED and sustained, the
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ban on sales of US technologies to Huawei will drive the Chinese telecoms equipment giant out of business.

And if extended to a broader range of Chinese companies, as rumoured, Washington’s export controls will do great economic damage not just to China, but also to US and international businesses. In the long run, they could even split the world into two incompatible – and hostile –
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blocs, with potentially catastrophic effects for future international relations.

But the
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has not yet become an economic ice age, and there are still good reasons to believe these troubling scenarios can be avoided.

However, the risks are great. Last week, the mainland media was full of strident nationalistic rhetoric about how
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can prosper despite the US ban, and how China will develop indigenous substitutes for US technologies to its own economic advantage. Neither assertion stands up to examination.

Huawei’s network equipment and smartphones are heavily reliant on US components, notably semiconductors, and software. Some of these components cannot easily be replaced by non-US parts. And where others can, for example by Korean or Japanese products, the substitutes are typically manufactured using US intellectual property.

This means Korean and Japanese suppliers would be subject to US penalties if they sold to Huawei, which explains why Panasonic and Hitachi last week halted shipments of key components to the Chinese company.

Much has been said about Huawei’s supposed ability to survive export controls because it owns its own semiconductor company, HiSilicon, making it independent of US-made chips.

It’s not. HiSilicon’s products rely on foreign design. For example, its “system on a chip” uses a processor designed by ARM of Cambridge in the UK. Indeed, pretty much every smartphone in the world runs on ARM designs. And last week ARM suspended all links with Huawei, because its designs contain US intellectual property.

Chinese officials claim to be untroubled. Faced with US export controls, Beijing is planning to pour vast resources into a “long march” programme to develop its own home-grown designs, semiconductor chips and software.

But China’s record in this area is not promising. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, the Chinese government pursued a programme of “indigenous innovation” to design and fabricate its own chips, investing billions in companies like Grace Semiconductor, headed by no less than Jiang Mianheng, son of China’s then president Jiang Zemin.

However, not even a bottomless purse and political backing at the very highest level could make a success of Grace, which has long since been folded into an equally uninspiring competitor.

Attempts to build national chip champions based on foreign technologies have also struggled. DRAM memory chip hopeful Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit collapsed last year after being hit with US export controls following allegations it conspired to steal designs from US chip giant Micron.

And more than 12 years after it was set up to produce NAND memory chips, would-be Samsung competitor Yangtze Memory Technologies remains at least five years behind the Korean giant. Sceptics say the Chinese company’s bosses have made more progress in real estate development than in chip-making.

China has not had any more success in software development. After almost 20 years of state-backed effort, China has yet to come up with a home-grown operating system for personal computers to challenge Microsoft Windows. Its best attempt to date looks a lot like Windows XP, which Microsoft discontinued more than 10 years ago.

And despite frequent bold statements over the last decade, success in building a smartphone operating system has proved similarly elusive.

All this explains why Huawei cannot survive a long-term US export ban. It relies on US intellectual property to remain in business and compete. This also explains why the Chinese economy cannot prosper by pursuing technological self-sufficiency, no matter how much President
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promotes the idea.

Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei admitted as much last week. “China cannot succeed if it is entirely dependent on indigenous innovation,” he told mainland media. “It will waste a lot of time on indigenous innovation.”

Ren’s point was that reinventing the wheel – no matter how lavishly funded the attempt – is a poor substitute for the open international exchange of know-how.

In the long run, the most China could achieve by pursuing such a policy would be technological isolation. It might create a bloc of allied countries using its systems, standards and software. But cut off from the rest of the world, the countries of that bloc would forever be technological poor cousins – at an enormous opportunity cost to their economic development.

Happily, this grim fate may yet be avoided. While there are hawks in Washington who would like to drive Huawei to the wall, this would hardly be to the US’ advantage. Huawei and other Chinese tech firms are major customers for US companies, which would suffer greatly from a rigorously enforced export ban. Moreover, it would still be in the US’ best interests to
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: a hope Washington can kiss goodbye if it drives Huawei out of business.

As a result, the US administration is likely to be aiming not to destroy Huawei, but merely to clip its wings. By enforcing a partial ban on sales of advanced US technologies, Washington would make the Chinese company less attractive as a partner for US allies around the world and leave it significantly weakened. This may be enough to satisfy the US intelligence community, which regards Huawei’s international prominence as a threat to US national security.

And by requiring Huawei to plead guilty to outstanding US criminal charges over its business links with Iran, as a condition of any relaxation, Washington could place monitors inside the company to ensure compliance with resulting US penalties, allaying long-standing concerns about Huawei’s opacity.

Of course, all this might be too much for proud Chinese officials to swallow. But let’s hope not. It’s probably the best outcome for everyone involved: Huawei, China, the US and the rest of the world.


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I think since it's a national security issue and the U.S. has ample proof that their allies are being compromised, USA should try to finish Huawei for a better and safer world. Here monetary gains of a few American enterprises should not deter USA from doing so.
 

manqiangrexue

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I think since it's a national security issue and the U.S. has ample proof that their allies are being compromised, USA should try to finish Huawei for a better and safer world. Here monetary gains of a few American enterprises should not deter USA from doing so.
What proof? Nobody has seen any proof from the US. But that's not important; the US will try their best to sabotage and Huawei will just focus on making itself better and better and the US will look funnier and funnier.
 

PikeCowboy

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theres no need for proof, HWs existence and China's technology growth IS the threat to US national interest and national security...

I think since it's a national security issue and the U.S. has ample proof that their allies are being compromised, USA should try to finish Huawei for a better and safer world. Here monetary gains of a few American enterprises should not deter USA from doing so.

I agree that USA should try to finish Huawei for a better and safer world (for America).

You really should stop conflating your own perspective with the whole world's... its really very grandiose...
 

dratsabknihcllik

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What proof? Nobody has seen any proof from the US. But that's not important; the US will try their best to sabotage and Huawei will just focus on making itself better and better and the US will look funnier and funnier.

I am afraid you missed the memo.
The US says that it has evidence. That means we should accept that at face value. Let us not doubt the US's argument because many were duped by WMD, Nayirah testimony, baby killer Assad, gulf of Tonkin incident, and a few others.
I hope you have got the drift.
 

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We have already discussed all those topics here pretty much @dratsabknihcllik.

Panasonic stopping supply to Huawei was fake news.
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With regards to ARM, I think we have not heard half the story yet. From what I know of the company, they typically do not telegraph their moves in advance. They do have a chip design facility in the US, but they have two others in Europe (UK, France) and the GPUs are designed in Europe (Norway). Only certain CPU core designs designed in the US should be impacted. The company has headquarters in Europe and a Japanese owner. The ARM ISA license should not be impacted AFAIK.

With regards to either Grace or Fujian, a lot of semiconductor companies fail. It happens all the time. Because the company failed it does mean the effort was pointless. The people probably moved elsewhere and the knowledge gained was not lost. China now has SMIC and Yangtze. To be honest I do not understand why you are dissing Yangtze. Given US export limitations and lack of tool manufacturing in China, Chinese semiconductor companies with fabs could not easily compete on something which uses leading edge processes or has small margins like DRAM or Flash. So they went for discrete logic first. Which is what made the most sense. This is something which will happen gradually and might take a decade or two to achieve. In fact because of the ZTE and Huawei affairs I expect it to happen sooner.

In the modern semiconductor industry a lot of work is done cross borders. If you think US companies could produce a consumer product in the space solely based on US IP either you would quickly find out that in the modern era they cannot do it either. ASML is headquartered in Europe. The fact is the US does not even have a lithography tools company anymore. It also is telling that the dominant CPU architecture right now, ARM, was not designed in the US either, nor was the dominant OS in the server business, Linux. The world's top two memory manufacturers are not in the US either and both of them have fabs in China.

Huawei should continue on its own path I think. It was enough for ZTE to capitulate as it did.
 
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