American Economics Thread

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
That is why Trump is great!

What a salesman.

To take something like this, then turn it into a win-win for himself, got to admit there is serious talent here.

We should all learn from Trump. We could all be president one day.

:D

Yeah, Mr. Silver Spoon New York tough guy is so weak that the Chinese are intimidating him to outsource to China against his will?
 

Gatekeeper

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According to Trump that's China's fault because he's a businessman and if China offers a lower price to produce his products so he can make more money, he has to take it. Now if China just raised their prices to where being made in the USA is cheaper, then he can produce them in the US. He actually said this when confronted why his Trump signature brand of products were made in China when he rails against everyone else who doesn't bring production back to the US.

Love it. That kind of thinking required the mind gymnastics that's out of this world.
It is like requiring someone to apologise to you for putting his foot under yours after you tread on his toes.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Here it is, Folks. US debts in numbers. I remember it wasn't so long ago, that the doom mongers here was saying that China's collapse is coming because China has large debts. It's funny these same people are strangely quiet about US debts.

Charting America’s Debt: $27 Trillion and Counting
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America's Debt Infographic's Debt Infographic


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I do not understand this economic stuff
US debt is 122% off GDP and there is a expression of concern and yet according to SCMP Chinas debt as% of GDP is 317%. Shouldn't we be worried by Chinas debt to GDP ratio?

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localizer

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I do not understand this economic stuff
US debt is 122% off GDP and there is a expression of concern and yet according to SCMP Chinas debt as% of GDP is 317%. Shouldn't we be worried by Chinas debt to GDP ratio?

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That's by adding up everything:
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US would be at 400%.

The argument is that all Chinese debt is state owned and thus should be counted as gov't debt, BUT:

The US 400% debt will default and be purchased by the government anyways, so there's no difference.



And remember, none of China's debt is spent on wars n crap.
 

OppositeDay

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I do not understand this economic stuff
US debt is 122% off GDP and there is a expression of concern and yet according to SCMP Chinas debt as% of GDP is 317%. Shouldn't we be worried by Chinas debt to GDP ratio?

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The 122% figure for the U.S. is just federal government debt. The 317% figure for China is everything including central and local governments, corporate and personal.
 

horse

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I do not understand this economic stuff
US debt is 122% off GDP and there is a expression of concern and yet according to SCMP Chinas debt as% of GDP is 317%. Shouldn't we be worried by Chinas debt to GDP ratio?

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1. There was no point to the article that was posted.

2. The article writer had no clue what she was discussing, no context, just a bunch of numbers.

3. Too much debt becomes a problem when you cannot pay it back or pay the interests on it. Such as the Latin American debt crisis which tend to happen a lot. Greece's problems with the EU a few years ago.

4. Whenever someone somewhere, complains of too much debt, that is what they are getting at. The creditor wants to know if the debtor can pay it back. When the debtor cannot pay it back, that is a big problem for the debtor. It is problem for the creditor too, but they usually rich, and generally will buy up everything from the debtor country such as utilities or natural resources at fire sale prices.

5. When they say China has too much debt, they are really saying China is going to run into problems like Latin America potentially. Our friend comrade Chang at work.

6. A business borrows to expand. They take on debt to go make money, which in turns pays back the debt. That is what China has been doing. In other words, the Chinese economy outgrows it debts.

7. The debts the US government is currently undertaking with the QE, and free money in the CARES Act for example, that is not borrowing to expand growth, that is just to prevent total collapse of the economy and the financial system.

8. That article was largely dezinformatsiya, as like they were talking about increasing debt as being bad to China, and the levels of debt is bad for China. It's only bad when you cannot pay it back. At 5% to 6% economic growth, that is a good investment.

:p
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
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I do not understand this economic stuff
US debt is 122% off GDP and there is a expression of concern and yet according to SCMP Chinas debt as% of GDP is 317%. Shouldn't we be worried by Chinas debt to GDP ratio?

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I see my deputies @localizer @OppositeDay @horse were able to answer your queries while I been away marking my students economic home work on the 2008 great recession. Lol

Thanks guys.
 

Gatekeeper

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I know there are homeless people everywhere in the world. But this is America. The riches and most powerful country in the world. As Well as the human cost of These people. In economics, these people are not being productive. It's a drag on the US economy.

 
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