Hitting US carriers is the most damaging for the US.
2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
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Hitting US carriers is the most damaging for the US.
It is a well telegraphed target and plane had to fly on top of it there is no way Iran cannot detect it if it try. Instead there is no trying, not even a failed attempt. Not to mention B-2 went there unprotected, only to bombed the entrance, clearly just a theatric bombing. The only logical explanation is both sides consented to this show.
US will not randomly risk its important asset into AA network, and telegraph its intent to the exact location. It would be too stupid to proceed without prior agreements.
Lmao, there are lots of coutrys that have way better airdefense then France or the UK, for example Pakistan, India, Germany, Japan, South Korea and Poland in a few years.
Why do people believe that only the entrance were bombed? Fordo was attacked with 12 GBU-57 and Natan with two and Isfahan only with Tomahawks. But around 30 Tomahawks in total were used against all targets. I doubt one would use GBU-57s to attack an entrance, that was clearly the job of the Tomahawks
I will not rush into conclusion that the US really used bombs instead of cruise missiles launch from B-2 in targeting the Iranian targets.
Bases are way softer targets and they are stationary.
The B-2 weren’t flying unescorted. They were covered by a squadron of EW aircraft jamming any and all radars in vicinity (plus drone jammers) and loaded up with HARMs ready to take out any pop up threat at the blink of an eye. With effective jamming, the B-2s would be practically invisible to Iran’s radar. The range of the MOP is undisclosed, but likely in the range of 5-10km when dropped from high altitude for maximum penetration. Not like they could just point a radar straight up and get an instant lock on target, as the bombers wouldn’t directly fly over.
Just looking at gives me the impression that both Israel & Iran lost, regardless of whoever officially declares victory at the end.
The Israelis launched a war, then barely lasted a week before relying entirely on US/NATO air defense in aprticular. I'm curious if anyone has a good count of how many missiles & drones it took to deplete Israeli AD enough that even small salvos started getting through? Let's say it was minimum 500, maximum 1000, that's not much in the grand scheme of things. Most of the bigger or wealthier Middle Easterners can do it. Just get some good Air defense for the launchers & storage, and you have a credible threat, no nukes needed. You don't even need amazingly modern missiles.
This is probably Iran's own thinking. They did not intend to build nukes in the first place, let's remember they were negotiating in good faith with Trump right before this started, so expect them to give some concessions here or there so long as Trump doesn't push too hard. MAGA does not want a war, so my bet is he goes for a deal now.
Iran also lost a lot of assets, whoever rules Iran by next year will be too busy with internal issues regardless.
The Israelis launched a war, then barely lasted a week before relying entirely on US/NATO air defense in aprticular. I'm curious if anyone has a good count of how many missiles & drones it took to deplete Israeli AD enough that even small salvos started getting through? Let's say it was minimum 500, maximum 1000, that's not much in the grand scheme of things. Most of the bigger or wealthier Middle Easterners can do it. Just get some good Air defense for the launchers & storage, and you have a credible threat, no nukes needed. You don't even need amazingly modern missiles.
This is probably Iran's own thinking. They did not intend to build nukes in the first place, let's remember they were negotiating in good faith with Trump right before this started, so expect them to give some concessions here or there so long as Trump doesn't push too hard. MAGA does not want a war, so my bet is he goes for a deal now.
Iran also lost a lot of assets, whoever rules Iran by next year will be too busy with internal issues regardless.