2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

shinanhua

Just Hatched
Registered Member
I have always been curious why many people consider Iran as China's "ironclad ally". From public information, after the Iran nuclear deal was reached in 2016, China was the first country to visit Iran, and China invited Iran to participate in cooperation under the framework of the Belt and Road Initiative, which showed great importance at that time. However, when Western countries signaled cooperation with Iran after the nuclear deal, Iran did not want to advance cooperation projects with China. In 2021, China and Iran signed a comprehensive cooperation plan. It is reported that there were certain concerns about Chinese investment within Iran. In terms of energy cooperation, China was once an important importer of Iranian oil, but after the Russia-Ukraine conflict in 2022, the international energy landscape changed, and energy cooperation between Russia and China deepened, which reduced Iran's importance to China. During the visit of the Iranian delegation to China in 2024, the Iranian Chief of Staff mentioned in a media interview that "Iran does not need foreign weapons", which also reflects that Iran does not intend to purchase Chinese military equipment in the field of national defense. There is also a sentiment among the Iranian public that they do not favor China. I have seen many Iranians on the Internet expressing distrust in Chinese military and industrial products. In comprehensive terms, there is cooperation based on common interests between China and Iran, but the development of bilateral relations has been influenced by multiple factors such as the international environment and domestic policies. Iran is of important geopolitical position, and China has a developed industry. China needs Iran, and Iran also needs China. However, the cooperation between China and Iran has not always been smooth, and it cannot be regarded as a complete "alliance" relationship.
 

snake65

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Natanz is not the only major nuclear facility. I doubt that Iran have shown all their nuclear facilities to the IAEA while also sitting on 60% enriched Uranium for possible enrichment to weapons grade. If they had done that, then they're so screwed.
It's not the only one, but it is the largest. There is another one in Fordo and a third one, brand new and in "safe location"
 

sheogorath

Colonel
Registered Member
Russia plays into the US adversarial mentality, which is why in 2025 they are 3 years into a shooting war with their neighbour, whereas China flew the world's first 6th gens, has leading AI models and is on its way to self sufficiency in all critical technologies.
All of those are recent happenings, though. You were still trying to coddle up to the US only to have chinese citizens kidnapped through Canada, Pelossi flown into Taiwan, sanctions imposed and color revolution attemps in HK.
 

Randomuser

Captain
Registered Member
It should be first clarified that China has always adhered to the policy of non-alignment, and there is no so-called "alliance" relationship between China and any country. The following is a translation of the relevant content for reference, with the reminder that some views in the text may not fully reflect the objective facts of China-Iran relations:

I have always been curious why many people consider Iran as China's "ironclad ally". From public information, after the Iran nuclear deal was reached in 2016, China was the first country to visit Iran, and China invited Iran to participate in cooperation under the framework of the Belt and Road Initiative, which showed great importance at that time. However, when Western countries signaled cooperation with Iran after the nuclear deal, Iran did not want to advance cooperation projects with China. In 2021, China and Iran signed a comprehensive cooperation plan. It is reported that there were certain concerns about Chinese investment within Iran. In terms of energy cooperation, China was once an important importer of Iranian oil, but after the Russia-Ukraine conflict in 2022, the international energy landscape changed, and energy cooperation between Russia and China deepened, which reduced Iran's importance to China. During the visit of the Iranian delegation to China in 2024, the Iranian Chief of Staff mentioned in a media interview that "Iran does not need foreign weapons", which also reflects that Iran does not intend to purchase Chinese military equipment in the field of national defense. There is also a sentiment among the Iranian public that they do not favor China. I have seen many Iranians on the Internet expressing distrust in Chinese military and industrial products. In comprehensive terms, there is cooperation based on common interests between China and Iran, but the development of bilateral relations has been influenced by multiple factors such as the international environment and domestic policies. Iran is of important geopolitical position, and China has a developed industry. China needs Iran, and Iran also needs China. However, the cooperation between China and Iran has not always been smooth, and it cannot be regarded as a complete "alliance" relationship.
Yeah. This is in line with what has been mentioned in this thread. Iran expects China to give a lot but yet it thinks it doesn't need to give much to China. That's not how things work. Esp for Iran who's in no position to bargain like this. Where on earth does this mentality come from?
 

talonn

Junior Member
Registered Member
I understand that China and Iran don't see eye to eye. However, how will the geopolitics impact china if Iran falls? Thats the thing I care about
 

daifo

Major
Registered Member
There have been so many covert operations in Iran in last 20 years. Why didn't Iran focus on building strong counter intelligence apparatus?

Wasted resources on religious police and forcing hard-line religious living onto the population of 80 million. I read that the general population saw the hardline clerics as oppressors. Combine that with limited economic outlook, makes for easy corruptions and traitors
 
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