2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

xyz4321

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The thing is its not Israel's military capability alone but the covert intelligence and even straight up military help provided by the West. They are literally a colony of the West. If it was just Israel's alone doing this then yes it will be very impressive but its not. Without western help they will not be a threat to even a semi professional force like Hezbollah let alone Iran. Their Nuclear program/weapons and technology is given to them by the west which is why they dominate their neighbors.
Iran's intelligence services suck, obviously. Too much infiltration. Even Taliban did not get it's leadership decimated, unlike Iran, when Afghanistan was occupied by NATO.

The Israeli MoD maintains an office park just south of the Ichilov Hospital. The hospital's underground facilities and the office park's underground facilities are obviously interconnected, but there's no good reason for the Israeli MoD to bunker down in the hospital's underground facilities when they have their own.
There is a very good reason actually: hide behind civilians and if attacked, claim "civilians were targetted".

Case example: We have footage on this thread of SAM launchers deployed in the middle of a civilian urban centre that got hit by Iran, followed by Netanyahu now claiming that Iran targetted civilians.

Isn't it funny.. Zionists had a million excuses to target civilian hospitals in Gaza, claiming underground tunnels and Hamas bases, but when the tables are turned, it's all "no, Israel doesn't do that!".
One thing I question in this thread is that with complete air superiority, I don't see why they cannot also target their nuclear facilities too. They can certainly be obliterated.

I think Israeli military goals are likely:

1. De-militarisation — including the complete destruction of all nuclear facilities.

2. To trigger political instability and overthrow the regime. As we have seen with calls for uprisings and statements isolating the regime from the people.

They may not need any "head choppers" but instead they will need the pro-western monarchists to kick up some protests, get people on board, and try overthrow the regime. So look out for any anti-regime monarchist protests happening or propaganda of that sort.
I doubt Israel has complete air superiority. The recon footage is likely from small drones while the attacks inside Iran were conducted from standoff ranges outside the country or, as alleged, from secret drone bases inside Iran. Nothing was targetted in the eastern half of the country.

The threat of 'nuke' is on their mind alot more, Pakistan doesnt fully align itself with west either, plus its also one of China's emergency fuel line'
Pakistan is also the only country to shoot down several Israeli jets.

If Iran attempt to get nuclear weapons won’t Israel nuke them? I just don’t see how the extremist Israeli regime would tolerate a nuclear Iran?
How many nukes needed to destroy Iran vs Israel? A few will end Israel but Iran's destruction will require hundreds.

I posted it earlier. The plan could be similar to libya, syria, iraq... send in the isis head choppers. However, that plan may be foiled as Iranians may seem themselves at that point as persians rather than some fanatical islamist.
Iran is mostly Shia. ISIS' ideology is very different; it wouldn't find much support there. US tried introducing ISIS to Afghanistan but it didn't work too well because of the local ideological differences (Wahhabi ISIS versus Deobandi Afghans), despite both being Sunni.

They have a total ban in footage and it said the shut down the internet to avoid people posting. My guess this maybe from Lebanon.
They speaking Hebrew, not Arabic.
 

Gloire_bb

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Case example: We have footage on this thread of SAM launchers deployed in the middle of a civilian urban centre that got hit by Iran, followed by Netanyahu now claiming that Iran targetted civilians.
There's no other way to do terminal ABM.
Ultimately, unless it's SPRINT-like monsters(in modern world is only A-235), protected footprint is just small. And even then it is only marginally more.
 

magmunta

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It seems that Iranian ballistic missile technology is not up to the international standards practiced by permanent security members and few others because all the missiles launched by Iran seem to have a single warhead. I am almost certain that Iran hasn't mastered MIRV technology yet as missiles with MIRV would way quicker deplete Israeli air, missile defenses with clearer economic advantages. From Iran's perspective, and I am not for Iran at all, quite contrary, Iran needs to do what Russia did with oreshnik ballistic missile which launched 36 warheads, though they were decoys. Imagine 10 such missiles with 100 real warheads. But, thankfully, it seems islamists have not developed MRVs yet.
 

crazyinsane105

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Overall the Israelis can strike and decapitate Iranian military, but to what significance? IRGC is a massive organization with countless generals. If groups like Hamas and Hezbullah can replace leaders, so can IRGC.

IDF claims it has air superiority over Iran but as of now, only stand off munitions are being used, with no videos or other proof that IDF aircraft are actually over Iran.

Without a doubt the scale of the attack on Iran was a surprise, but thus far Iran’s nuke program is pretty unscathed.

While impressive in some respects, this attack doesn’t set back Iran’s program in any way nor is it forcing Iran to accept terms that Israel wants to see happen.
 

crazyinsane105

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Can Iran retaliate? To an extent it can. But Israel doesn’t have significant stocks of stand off munitions either. Neither side can inflict the damage it wants on the other to force political change
 

iewgnem

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It's kinda amusing seeing the Iron Dome struggle after a few years of the hype surrounding it because it managed to intercept Hamas rocket bottles. Arrow seems largely absent, though
Its pretty amsuing Iran's third tier missiles are hitting Israel left and right against the most advanced western AD and you still get people who think they can intercept China's first tier missiles.

Iran's problem is they only have missiles when missiles are just one part of a combo, where missiles concentrate on taking out AD then you send in aircraft to do mopup.
 

xyz4321

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