2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

tokenanalyst

Brigadier
Registered Member
I don't think Israel needs direct US intervention at this point. They have this on lock.
I don't think so. The damage is probably too superficial and that is supposing that are hitting the right target and not deceptive installations and people. Do the Iranian military work like the Arabs were you kill a commander and the entire army disband or more like an hydra that cutting a head or two do nothing?.
I think if Israel stop in week or two, the Iranians will test a nuke in a month or two. The Israelis don't have the logistic and resources for a grinding war with constant missile attacks in their cities and infrastructure. And that is not even counting that war with Hezbollah and the Houthis reignite again.

Who knows maybe the Israelis using magic power set the Iranian Nuclear program 20 years to the stone age and their attack capabilities to firecrackers without Tel Aviv and Jerusalem receiving the Gaza treatment in 3 days.​
 

daifo

Major
Registered Member
If it comes to that, where Iran truly runs out of ballistic missiles, and is unable to produce them in large enough amounts, then their last and best option for defense is to goad the Israelis and Americans into invading them directly, head-on.

Attrite them on their own home front, similar to Palestine and Ukraine, and just slog it out using their terrain, tunnels and smaller scale military weapons like ATGMs, FPV drones, etc… to bog down the Israelis and Americans.

The west has air power, but as shown in Vietnam and Korea, underground structures and well-placed, well-constructed tunnels both large and small, and numerous in numbers, can protect you from even the most sophisticated Air Force, even with bunker busters involved.

Russia and China can deliver most of the supplies they need through from the north and east, and they can essentially turn this into America’s Ukraine. They may lose in the end, but will incredibly hurt the west in the process.

I posted it earlier. The plan could be similar to libya, syria, iraq... send in the isis head choppers. However, that plan may be foiled as Iranians may seem themselves at that point as persians rather than some fanatical islamist.
 

Mmmeeeto

New Member
Registered Member
High value target in a residential complex in Tehran has been struck.

Not gonna rush into conclusions but last year Israel bombed the shvit out of a few buildings in Syria with the claim that it belongs to a certain Palestinian group and the asassination of high ranking members

Subsequently that same group then came out and clarified that they have relocated to Qatar a few months beforehand

So Israel sometimes goes out of their way and strikes places "just in case"
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Suprised anyone here is shocked or disappointed.

It was clear iran was at the mercy of Israel or America for a long time

Interesting analysis
I thought it was common knowledge. If you are a small state that is targeted by the imperium, the best thing to do is:

1. ask for help from China/Russia
2. arm yourself to the highest degree no matter what
3. be ready to fight to the finish
4. ideologically harden your society even at the cost of freedom and rights
5. only negotiate to formalize your gains. Whatever you can't get on the battlefield, you probably won't get at the negotiating table.

Successful examples: China North Korea, Vietnam

You should not:

1. Expect negotiations to actually solve the problem
2. Expect treaties to be obeyed
3. Waver in your resolve
4. Trust the 'peace process'
5. Accept ceasefires that freeze the conflict unfavorably

Failures: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Russia (yes, even Russia) and now Iran.

Alternatively, just surrender. But there's a huge risk here - who says they'll accept your surrender?

Assad tried surrendering to the west and in 2010 even got renormalization of relations, a visit from senior US leaders including senators, and reassurance on security. What happened in 2011?

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FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
If it comes to that, where Iran truly runs out of ballistic missiles, and is unable to produce them in large enough amounts, then their last and best option for defense is to goad the Israelis and Americans into invading them directly, head-on.

Attrite them on their own home front, similar to Palestine and Ukraine, and just slog it out using their terrain, tunnels and smaller scale military weapons like ATGMs, FPV drones, etc… to bog down the Israelis and Americans.

The west has air power, but as shown in Vietnam and Korea, underground structures and well-placed, well-constructed tunnels both large and small, and numerous in numbers, can protect you from even the most sophisticated Air Force, even with bunker busters involved.

Russia and China can deliver most of the supplies they need through from the north and east, and they can essentially turn this into America’s Ukraine. They may lose in the end, but will incredibly hurt the west in the process.
This is true - but it requires willpower. Do they have it? Based on the degree of infiltration, no.
 

texx1

Junior Member
I agree that could be a way out for this regime. I'm convinced the moderates are US puppets though and this will just lead to a soft regime change through reform instead of overthrow.

Compromising gives hardliners time to regroup and influence reforms down the road. Currently, Israel is winning. They are not going to stop humiliating Iranian hardliners. Desperate times require desperate measures.

Just now Israel Finance minster says that Tel Aviv stock exchange will operate normally. It could just be for optics, but they are confident enough to make a public announcement which shows Iranian retaliation is not having much impact on the morale of Israelis.

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The last go around between Israel and Iran after seeing all those videos of Iranian warheads hitting the ground, Israel said they intercepted them all. Here the only difference is you're seeing the warheads hit civilian areas and now they have to admit some got through. Are you going to believe anything Israel says? They lie just as much anyone else including the US. When this one first started, Israel said they struck Iranian ballistic missile facilities. Then there was that arrogant lull from the West before Iran retaliated as if they were expecting no retaliation because Israel was that good. So where's all these missiles hitting Israel coming from then? They caught Iran off guard didn't they? If Mossad is as great as the Western media is making them out to be, how come they didn't get them all? If you're going start an operation like this, you better get them all.

I saw the Israeli Ambassador on TV being interviewed over this conflict. Anyone notice all Israeli ambassadors to the US look and sound just like an American? Don't think that's just a coincidence since this all about spreading propaganda. Well he was trying to hit it home with Americans by going back to Oct. 7th spinning that the number of people that were killed then would be be equivalent to millions of Americans being killed. Millions of Americans didn't get killed but he wanted to get Americans angry and on Israel's side as if that did happen. That explains the logic of someone who was Jewish talking to me once acting like Jews were the only victims of WWII. I told him others were victims too including millions of Chinese civilians. Instead of admitting that, this guy instead decided to make a snide remark, "But there are so many of you..." Like that made it okay and not as important. You can understand why so may people blindly blame and hate Jews with that kind of attitude. Everyone has to care about Jews but they don't give a crap for anyone else.
 
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