2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Broccoli

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It makes me happy to see that Ukrainian military is prevailing in their fight against Russian backed terrorist. One of the terrorist leaders was almost in tears when interviewed about their situation yesterday... complained that he's fighters were rapidly loosing morale.
 
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Terrorists left some of their AFV's behind.
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Equation

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Ewww...I hate to be the one soldier doing "clean up duty". Picking up dead bodies and body parts from inside a destroyed APC or a tank.:(
 

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I think the most striking aspect of the Slavyansk story; a fast paced event in which the Ukrainian army has stormed en mass a key rebel stronghold, is how little the story has changed during the day and that I am reading essentially now the same copy at 17:30 BST as I was at 07:30 this morning when I got up!

I have been waiting all today for more details before commenting and of course to see the Money shots: the Ukrainian flag indeed flying over the Cities Administration building and indeed, the grateful applauding citizenry giving rapturous welcome to their liberators from the National Army. The other of course would be the signs of a rebel force assaulted in mid rout, with the inevitable carnage that would produce.

I have seen none of the above.

I can think of three, non mutually exclusive reasons for this.

1) The effects of the much reported indiscriminate artillery and air bombardment of the city over the last month, in the build up to the assault are not considered "suitable" for broadcast.

2) Interaction between the Ukrainian Army/National Guard and the cities citizenry is again of a nature that is considered unfit for broadcast.

3) If Strelkov and a large number of men are the Russian volunteers that the media claims and grizzled veterans of Urban Warfare in Chechnya, than maybe they have successfully lured a large force of the green Ukrainian forces into the city, which is just where they want them.

Irrespective, I think three facts still stand tall and shout loud.

1) Despite the overwhelming concentration of numbers and fire power massed against them, the rebels have been able to break out of the siege and withdraw intact and in good order.

2) Based on the numbers now of displaced people seeking refuge in Russia and the methods being used by the Ukrainian army against the civil populace, Poroshenkos Plan B looks, walks and quacks very much like classic ethnic cleansing.

3) The rebels fight was never likely to be decisive in this struggle and ultimately it will depend on direct intervention from the Russian Federation to settle it.

I suspect that the fight for Slavyansk is actually far from over and I do wonder what news I will be waking up to tomorrow?
 

Broccoli

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Latest news say that Russian hired thugs and terrorists also escaped from city of Kramatorsk and it's now in hands of Ukrainian military.
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Finnish news crew reports that people are throwing roses and giving candies to Ukrainian army soldiers while thanking them.
 
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Latest news say that Russian hired thugs and terrorists also escaped from city of Kramatorsk and it's now in hands of Ukrainian military.
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Finnish news crew reports that people are throwing roses and giving candies to Ukrainian army soldiers while thanking them.

Why always so negative towards the pro-Russian side???? They're just people fighting for their own beliefs/causes. This is a military forum, not a Russian bashing pro-NATO forum.
 

delft

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The costs of all this must be very damaging to the financial condition of the Kiev regime. Who will clean up the mess when Ukraine formally becomes a failed state?
The cooperation of the sponsors of Kiev, US and EU, will be hit by the arrest of the US spy in the Bundes Nachrichten Dienst.
 

Broccoli

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Why always so negative towards the pro-Russian side???? They're just people fighting for their own beliefs/causes. This is a military forum, not a Russian bashing pro-NATO forum.

I'm from Finland and I know very well how Russians operate and how much they lie. These pro-Russians robbed banks, hijacked money transfers, kill policemen who refuse support them, kidnap people, torture people, and prevent people from voting in their country's elections.

Damn right i'm calling them terrorists.
 

Broccoli

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TV tower destroyed by terrorists.
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Terrorists 120mm NONA mortars fire from next to church.
[video=youtube;rhgT36vQvuA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhgT36vQvuA[/video]

Terrorists murder policemen.
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Ukrainian army captured ATGMs from Slovjansk.
[video=youtube;n3pWDuNDUKI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3pWDuNDUKI[/video]
 

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The costs of all this must be very damaging to the financial condition of the Kiev regime. Who will clean up the mess when Ukraine formally becomes a failed state?
The cooperation of the sponsors of Kiev, US and EU, will be hit by the arrest of the US spy in the Bundes Nachrichten Dienst.

I think Delft, that you are looking in very much the right direction.
Russia of course can end this matter very quickly and do anytime it wishes. That itself is not the issue, nor; to the Russian perspective, is the fate of Eastern Ukraine.
Putin has bigger Geopolitical fish to fry and wants to achieve his objectives in the Ukraine, not only by simply avoiding crippling sanctions from the US and EU, but more critically do it in a way that knocks the EU out of lock step with the US and thus divides NATO and permanently redraw the security map of Europe. Divergence from the US based on horror of the unfolding humanitarian crisis, Core Economic Interests and outrage of spying/surveillance scandals, definitely is gaining momentum.

I think viewed from this perspective, the actions (and restraint) of the Russian Government start to become clear, which is in the building of a legal case against key members of the Ukrainian Government and by association, the primary backers of the punitive action.

We are seeing this in terms of indictments against Individuals, the logging of daily cross border attacks on Russian border crossings, the stream of refugees entering Russia and now of course the scorched earth policy being practised against rebel held cities. It also explains the deliberate targeting of so many Russian reporters

The momentum on all these fronts is building. Images from "liberated" cities could start to tip the balance quite soon.
 
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