09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[Jeff Head]

Re: Successful Test of JL-3 nuclear SLBM Able to Hit Anywhere in the US

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Yomiuri Shimbun disclosed that a few days ago, a PLA nuclear submarine successfully launched a JL-3 SLBM that is regarded as the strongest strategic missile and hit a target at a desert in Xinjiang.

JL-3 is China’s third-generation submarine launched ICBM with a range exceeding 10,000 km. It can carry one or several warheads and is expected to be deployed in Type 096 nuclear submarines.

If this is true, for their SSBN deterrent capability, this is what the Chinese have been driving toward...and understandably so.

This would put them in league with the other major nations operating an SSBN deterrent. The US, Russia, England, and France.

With such missiles, and once they launch and put in service the Type 096, they would enter that league and have that strategic deterrent from their nuclear ballistic missile submarine force.

It will be interesting to see when the Type 096 is first seen in trials...and then later, as the PLAN launched several of them, if these missiles are real...or just rumor and vaporware.

For the PLAN, reaching a point of having three of those subs will mean they have one at sea, on patrol at all times. Five of them will mean they could have two on patrol at all times. I believe that would be, for them, a minimum number.

 

[Skywatcher]

Re: Successful Test of JL-3 nuclear SLBM Able to Hit Anywhere in the US

The article references the Navy times. I just did a Google search and found no article on the JL-3 in the Navy times.

Indeed the article is questionable.

A CZ-2F derived SLBM?!

That rocket has a payload of 8.4 tons and a diameter of 3.4 meters. Little big for a SSBN. Even if they did just use the CZ-2F's boosters instead, you'd have to reengine the whole thing to get it to run on solid fuels, as well install a payload section.

 

[AeroEngineer]

According to CJDBY, the latest variant of 093 SSN the Type 093A fast attack subs exceed the performance and capabilities of the early LA class SSN also known as the 688(I).

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The thread is started by: "slayerhuahua". One of the most creditable and accurate posters on CJDBY.

 

[Jeff Head]

According to CJDBY, the latest variant of 093 SSN the Type 093A fast attack subs exceed the performance and capabilities of the early LA class SSN also known as the 688(I).

Actually, no.

The early class LA boats were known simply as the LA Class, or 688 class. The "I" came along with the last 1/3 of those boats, and is significantly improved.

But, if the PLAN has reached even the 688 class level, that is quite the achievement. The US still uses 19 of those boats and they are very dangerous.

A total of 62 total vessels were built. The first 31 were the 688 Flight I boats. The next eight added the VLS tubes and were know as the Flight II 688 boats. All 39 of these were put into service between 1976 and 1988. As I said, 19 of them are still in commission.

Then, starting in 1989, a new, significantly improved version (in quietness, sensors and electronics) was built and this was called the 688i. Some wanted to call it a new class, the San Juan Class, which was the first. A total of 23 of these boats were put into service between 1989 and 1996.

That's a total of 62 Los Angeles class submarines put in service between 1976 and 1996...in twenty years. Three per year on average (actually a little more) over that entire time.

Of course these were followed by the next generation, the Sea Wolf Class, but only three of those were put in service between 1997 and 2005.

The Virginia class is the latest technology. So far, 10 of those have been put in service in the last ten years, and at least 20 more are planned...maybe more.

 

[tphuang]

According to CJDBY, the latest variant of 093 SSN the Type 093A fast attack subs exceed the performance and capabilities of the early LA class SSN also known as the 688(I).

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The thread is started by: "slayerhuahua". One of the most creditable and accurate posters on CJDBY.

This kind of stuff remains to be seen. They are doing sea trials now (I presume), so some people in PLAN would have data that we don't have. But at least by the latest ONI figures, the earlier 093s were louder than Victor 3 class. To get that to even reach the noise level of early LA class with a hull of the same size would be quite the achievement.

 

[mao_jr]

Have anyone seen this model of 095?

China reportedly shows off next-gen submarine at PLAN
Sunday 6th July, 2014
China reportedly showed off a mock-up of its next-generation nuclear-powered attack submarine at its submarine academy, People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) in Qingdao, China.

With this move, speculations are rife about China investing heavily on advanced submarines. According to The Washington Post, the show may just be a means of inspiring students at the academy. However; it also added that the move may also signify PLAN's preparation to bring out its next generation submarines.
Reportedly, the photos of the mock-up had first appeared in April during a Chinese naval conference. China has often used mock-up weapons to send out political messages to both the domestic and foreign audience in the past, the report added.
The show is also being seen as a glimpse of China's second nuclear-powered attack submarine, Type-095, the successor to its current Type-093. As per the report, two Type-093s are already deployed and four improved Type-093s are scheduled to be fielded in the next five years. (ANI)

 

[Jeff Head]

Have anyone seen this model of 095?

China reportedly shows off next-gen submarine at PLAN
Sunday 6th July, 2014
China reportedly showed off a mock-up of its next-generation nuclear-powered attack submarine at its submarine academy, People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) in Qingdao, China.

With this move, speculations are rife about China investing heavily on advanced submarines. According to The Washington Post, the show may just be a means of inspiring students at the academy. However; it also added that the move may also signify PLAN's preparation to bring out its next generation submarines.
Reportedly, the photos of the mock-up had first appeared in April during a Chinese naval conference.

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Hard to respond to this when all we have is a paragraph and asks whether e have seen it.

 

[Skywatcher]

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Hard to respond to this when all we have is a paragraph and asks whether e have seen it.

I think he's talking about this, sir.

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Though IMO, Richard Fisher gives too much time to that SSN mockup, when he could have compared it with previous 095 concepts and models.

 

[Hyperwarp]

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. Doesn't look like a mock-up. More like a monument.

 

[no_name]

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. Doesn't look like a mock-up. More like a monument.

Or a (likely SSK) training facility as you can see some foreign Navy cadets visiting.