071 LPD thread

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Actually the contractor for the Turkish project is RMK Marine and it has a very good lift capability, which includes, 13 tanks, 27 amphibious assault vehicles, 21 armoured personal carriers in addition to 30 jeeps, trucks miscellaneous, a well deck to accommodate 4 landing craft mechanics or 2 LCAC, 2 landing craft personal vehicles , commander boat and RHIB, in addition to more than a dozen helicopters including Chinnoks, and will lift more than 1,000 marines

for all intents and purposes it has much influence and work from South Korea who have a great design themselves, the Dokdo Class, it will be a great addition to the Turkish naval forces.

I agree. Their design looks very good and is, IMHO, clearly heavily influenced by the Dokdo design.

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On their site for Naval Projects and the LHD, they list the following specifications for this vessel:

LPD has the following capabilities:

- Platform for 4 x 35 ton Helicopter (simultaneous operations)
- Hangar for 6 x Sea Hawk or 4 x Merlin Helicopters
- 2 Vehicle Decks For 90+ Vehicles (13 x MBT, 27 x AAVs, 21 x APCs, 30+ Misc.); TotalArea 2800 m2
- Vehicle Decks are Suitable for the Stowage of Sea Hawk and Attack Helikopters
- Vehicle Lift SWL : 30 Ton
- Helicopter Lift SWL : 15 Ton
- Welldock For 4 x LCMs or 2xLCACs
- Stb. And Port Davits For 2 x LCVPs
- Deck Crane 30 Tonnes @ 12m
- Stern Ramp/Door - SWL : 60 Tones
- Side Ramp/Door - SWL : 60 Tones

Weapons and sensors configuration:

- 2 x 40 mm gun
- 2 x CIWS
- 3 x 12.7 mm stabilized machine gun
- Search and Surveillance Radar
- Electro Optical Director
- Fire Control Radar
- Chaff Decoy
- Electronic Support Measure System (ESM)

 

[drunkmunky]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

You have to commend China's Naval Architects.

Their progression from 51c helicopter pads, to 54-54a, 52b-c-d helicopter pads and then all the way up to the 71 to future LHD and beyond.

They've taken a very linear and experience based design progression at developing aviation platforms in the navy.

All really in a span of 7 years since 2006 (iirc 51c commissioning).

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

You have to commend China's Naval Architects.

Their progression from 51c helicopter pads, to 54-54a, 52b-c-d helicopter pads and then all the way up to the 71 to future LHD and beyond.

They've taken a very linear and experience based design progression at developing aviation platforms in the navy.

All really in a span of 7 years since 2006 (iirc 51c commissioning).

Well, the PLAN had helo pads well before the Type 51C. They built frigates which were outfitted with landing pads and helo hangers (along wth one of the Luda Class, 105 Jinan, destroyer which was updated in 1987 with a pad and hanger) well before the designs you indicated.

105, Jinan, upgraded in 1987

However, I will say this...the Type 071 is a very well designed and produced LPD with exceptional aviation capabilities for that class ship. Very good indeed.

 

[i.e.]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Just OT.

I love those old 051s.

Keep thinking if they can get rid of everything afte the raft funnel, and stick an SAM battery in the back Project 56 Spokoinyy Kotlin-class destroyer style. it would give PLAN a decent air defence ship 20 years early.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

China is basically learning as it goes, it hasnt done or can do a international amphibious excercise like Bold Aligator last year in 2012 so it has to rely on itself to build its own capability and learn on its own

Using a ships like the Type 071 LPD has set the stage to learn, loading, unloading, working inside hangers, using well deck, LCAC, landing and taking off of helicopter simultaneously these are all techniques that need mastering before they can go ahead and use a LHD to full potential

I mean when China does have a LHD, it will pretty much know what to do, it will have a good set of skills on how to operate a large LHD and to its maximum potential

A LHD is basically power projection, it's carrying equipment for long over sea deployment which means further out from China, right now that need is not a must so we don't see a LHD, once we start to see second and third island chains then we can see the need for a LHD

It's a incremental learning curve for China, and they are taking it one step at a time

 

[Intrepid]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

They built frigates which were outfitted with landing pads and helo hangers [...] well before the designs you indicated.

Same as with the aircraft carriers. First getting some experience with the reanimation of an existing old construction, and a couple of years later an impressing new and own development.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Here is a previous post of mine

I'm just thinking about the well deck, it's more than 120m in length and that means it can handle 12 rows of vehicles in 4 columns, because the vehicles in question are less than 10m and we can see they can manage 4 in a row from the picture below, this means they can load 48 vehicles in the well deck but it doesn't end there

In front of the well deck is a another compartment, and I think they could manage 12 further vehicles in here meaning they could load 48 in the well deck and another 12 in this compartment meaning 60 vehicles in total

So each LPD can easily transport 50-60 vehicles fully loaded

We can see the well deck from the inside of this compartment

Another shot of the compartment

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I don't mean to keep going on about this issue but we are always finding new things about Type 071 LPD

And I would now say that the well deck can load 48 vehicles, we believed there was one compartment prior to this but in my last post it shows the compartment has a another one above it of similar size

So now I can see extra 18 vehicles in both those two front compartments, which means the figure is revised, a fully loaded Type 071 can lift 48+18 = 66 vehicles, Wow!

And by vehicles I mean ZBD-05

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Ok now I shift to LCAC, from the following pictures it is clear that this LCAC is a pretty big vessel, I think it can hold the following, it's either or

4 trucks
Or 3 IFV/APC
Or 1 tank

It's stated that the loading ramp is 7.2m wide and 29m in length, a Humvee is 2.1 m wide and 4.5m length, means you can easily have 3 columns of 5 rows loaded onto the LCAC, that's a lift of 15 Humvees, the back is slightly tighter so you would get maybe only 2 Humvees in the back row but that's stil, 15-17 Humvee types vehicles on this LCAC

The lift is stated at 60 tons so that is within the scope of the above numbers, and since each Type 071 carrys 4 LCAC we can see that a wave of LCAC can land

16 trucks or 12 IFV/APC or 4 tanks or up to 60 jeeps, and PLAN has 3 LPDs!!!

There's lots of combinations but it's maximum numbers we are looking at

If a Type 071 loads 4 LCAC, it can in addition carry 18 IFVs, with 12 loaded on the LCAC, that would be, 4 x LCAC, 30 IFV and 4 Z8 helicopters plus marines

If someone stated these numbers just a few months ago I would never think it would be possible but now it's very much a reality

This picture I think is important, it shows a picture quite further down the hanger, they wouldn't make a hanger that can take 1 1/2 Z8 so it's clear from other pictures from inside the hanger that 4 Z8 can easily fit with the rear tail rotor folded

I can envisage 6 Z8 loaded on to the deck and one on the rear helipad with 4 in the hanger, that's 11 Z8s

So on a war front LPD, 30 IFV, 4 LCAC, 11 Z8 and marines, I think we have always been given a very modest view of the Type 071 because of the poor utilisation that PLAN has showed but in reality the Type 071 is one of the worlds best LPD, it's capacity is enormous, that is until we discover a new compartment somewhere!

 

[AeroEngineer]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

type 071 propulsion is not made in china
and india can build aircraft carriers, a capability that china so far hasnt show. If india can make AC, then they can make something like type 071.

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WRONG !!!!!

071's engine is MADE IN CHINA.

In fact 071's engine is the same as the American San Antonio class LDP's engine.

Here is the information for San Antonio Class LDP, go check for its engine.

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The engine is called SEMT Pielstick. It is a French diesel engine being lisense produced by many countries include:
China, USA, India, UK, and South Korea.

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071 LDP's engine is build by Shaanxi Diesel Engine Works.

San Antonio LDP's engine is build by Colt-Pielstick.

They are both the same engine build by two different countries. However, both USA and China have the capability to build every single part of this engine at home (100%) .

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Now, Kroko. Would you say that USA's LDP has no home made engine ???

LFMAO, I suggest you do some research first before you post something stupid !