052C/052D Class Destroyers

Totoro said:

But the hangar itself remains the same size? If it was made to hold z20 from the onset then the landing pad would have also been longer from earlier on. And if it can't hold z20 them what is the point? Lengthening the ship for less than 5% of landings the ship is going to see?

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Maybe the PLAN have something like this in mind when they decided to elongate the landing pad.

Yup, z20 for the 052 would have to have same folded footprint as the Kamov.

Question remains why haven't we seem such navalized z20. If it yet has to fly as a prototype, then the 052 is years early. (Though that may be better in the long run)

If it has flown and is close to being out in service, then why haven't we seen it? Why the secrecy?

Totoro said:

Yup, z20 for the 052 would have to have same folded footprint as the Kamov.

Question remains why haven't we seem such navalized z20. If it yet has to fly as a prototype, then the 052 is years early. (Though that may be better in the long run)

If it has flown and is close to being out in service, then why haven't we seen it? Why the secrecy?

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Ship designers don't have to wait until a helicopter is navalised before redesigning the helipad. All they need are landing parameters of the helicopter, which Harbin could provide after Z-20 test flights were concluded. Considering the Z-20's development timeline, and factoring in the time it takes to redesign a ship and verify the redesign, seeing an evolved 052D in 2017/2018, around the same time as the 055s, makes sense.

How long it takes the Z-20 to get navalised is an entirely different matter.

Totoro said:

Yup, z20 for the 052 would have to have same folded footprint as the Kamov.

Question remains why haven't we seem such navalized z20. If it yet has to fly as a prototype, then the 052 is years early. (Though that may be better in the long run)

If it has flown and is close to being out in service, then why haven't we seen it? Why the secrecy?

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Z20 only reached limited production in this year

There is no question a naval version is under progress maybe for Type 052D with longer deck called sometimes DG

isn't it possible that the lengthened landing pad is just for better, safer or quicker operation of the current choppers? maybe after years of trials and development of doctrine they figured they needed a larger helipad for some operative reason

Totoro said:

Yup, z20 for the 052 would have to have same folded footprint as the Kamov.

Question remains why haven't we seem such navalized z20. If it yet has to fly as a prototype, then the 052 is years early. (Though that may be better in the long run)

If it has flown and is close to being out in service, then why haven't we seen it? Why the secrecy?

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Just because you don't see it now doesn't mean they are preparing for its eventuality. Either that or some other large chopper for this purpose. They are laying the foundations for the future.

Taken at Shanghai. No 'wipers' under the AESA panels.

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Awesome shot.

We can at least verify that this particular ship has the Type 1130 CIWS, since most of the available Type 052D only has Type 730. The first 052D with the Type 1130 seems to be the 10th hull, and everything that follow that, and the launched Type 052 "DG" or "D+" has it. From the front the Type 730 has a slight triangle to its shape, while the 1130 is chunky and blocky. The type 1130 also has this large circle on the left side. I always thought that the Type 052D came with Type 1130s but turns out the ones on the water don't. I have to recheck the pics for the 052Ds from Dalian, but my impression is that they might only have the 730.

The use of the Type 1130 also seems synonymous with the Type 346 radars losing their "wipers".

CIWS above.




Type 730




Type 1130

Okay, just looking at previous pictures already posted on this forum for the Dalian Type 052Ds.

This particular 052D next to the 055 only has the Type 730 CIWS but has the no wipers or no rods on the Type 346 arrays.




This one has the Type 730 and the panels with the rods. The other ship next to it doesn't have the rods.





But this one has the Type 1130 and the arrays without the rods. Its sister next to it should be the ship above.

Tam said:

Awesome shot.

We can at least verify that this particular ship has the Type 1130 CIWS, since most of the available Type 052D only has Type 730. The first 052D with the Type 1130 is the 12th hull, which should be Hohhot, and the launched Type 052 "DG" or "D+" has it. From the front the Type 730 has a slight triangle to its shape, while the 1130 is chunky and blocky. The type 1130 also has this large circle on the left side. I always thought that the Type 052D came with Type 1130s but turns out the ones on the water don't. I have to recheck the pics for the 052Ds from Dalian, but my impression is that two of them might only have the 730.

The use of the Type 1130 also seems synonymous with the Type 346 radars losing their "wipers".

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Tbh identifying whether an 052D uses H/PJ-11 or H/PJ-12 is one of the easier things to differentiate. Their profiles from the side and the front are quite different.


Pretty sure the "large circles" are ammunition drums, where H/PJ-11 has two (one on each side), where as H/PJ-12 only has one drum on the right side.


The first 052D with H/PJ-11 was JN's 052D #9 if I recall, and all of JN's 052Ds since then have used H/PJ-11.

DL's first two 052Ds use H/PJ-12, and the third uses H/PJ-11.