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  1. Jura
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    I think by "counter factual" Brumby meant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_thinking

    anyway about one year (?) ago the speculation was Turkey had used the S-400 negotiations as an attempt to trim the price of the Patriots (I might even post this speculation, but it's a moot point now LOL so I won't start looking for a link; somebody either made it up or was wrong)
     
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    The F-35 is an electronics platform. Turkey already had plenty of access to its capabilities and so if it chose to share some of its secrets with Russia I think the damage can be considerable. The main piece that comes to mind is the information contained in the threat data library whereby essentially all the known electronic signals that the US, its allies and its adversaries are stored. I wonder how much of those classified data Turkey had managed to siphon off before they got booted out.
     
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    US congress bans F-22 export because of technological sensitivity, yet the F-35 was specifically designed to be exported (ie: does not contain sensitive tech) but we are to believe that any leaks would be damaging. Maybe not put all eggs into one basket next time ?
    Sometimes the world is so funny.
     
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    well ГРУ, f it could, would look into F-35 mission data files to check how accurate/erratic/whatever they are,

    but Russians/Chinese wouldn't be interested in F-35 software which is so buggy that even the Pentagon can't manage May 4, 2019
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    Russians/Chinese though would be interested to see what are the F-35 signature-reduction materials, to confirm/deny what they've learned by espionage so far

    There Are Things Even Google Can't Find
     
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    More interesting should be the towed decoy and its signature shape / delay / ratio.

    The second interesting is the sensors and warning stuff.

    The shaping is public, it takes only computer simulation time and sweat in the front of the PC to construct everything else.
     
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    I am afraid I don't think you understand what I am referring to regarding threat data library. Threat data library is standard provision in all electronic support systems. It is a storage of all known electronic signals that enable RWR/ESM to identify classify and make determination on the nature of threats. Essentially you cannot operate EW/ECM without such data. Typically each country operating their own aircraft is responsible for gathering such electronic signals through their own ELINT/SIGINT platforms. In the case of the F-35, I understand the arrangements are possibly different with the US being responsible for such provision (at least initially). If that is the case, Turkey would possibly have access to all known electronic signals in the US reservoir. Such information would allow Turkey and if leaked to Russia, the entire US electronic intelligence. There might be compartmentalization protocols in place for security reasons. I am just highlighting this would be a serious compromise if not contained. This issue has nothing to do with any software conversation.
     
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    could be we talked past each other;

    Yesterday at 7:33 PM by "F-35 mission data files", which would've been of interest to an adversary if it ever could access them,

    I meant what's described in

    The F-35 Is About to Get A Lot Smarter https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/12/f-35-about-get-lot-smarter/153338/


    which I reposted Dec 13, 2018 and quote,

    “It’s the data on board that proactively notifies the pilot of the aircraft of upcoming threats. The problem today is that it takes way too long to actually generate that Mission Data File. We can apply the data aggregation capabilities that C3 has and AI to make that process an order of magnitude faster so the data are more current,” said Edward Abbo, C3’s President and CTO.

    end of quote;

    I've been following F-35 mission data files issue for some time for example Jun 4, 2018 quoting

    May 15, 2017 BreakingDefense https://breakingdefense.com/2017/05...ill-way-too-slow-light-pilots-cleared-to-fly/
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    "To make it as clear as possible, if the F-35 does not possess current threat data for everything from electronic warfare to radar to kinetic threats such as missiles, then it simply “might not know what it is looking at,” Pleus told me. That would hobble one of the fighter’s great advantages, its capacity to synthesize vast amounts of information for the pilot.

    Who’s responsible? The Mission Data Files are created using information from the Intelligence Community and are then built into usable data by the 513th Electronic Warfare Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base.

    This is not a new problem. Pleus’ predecessor, then-Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian (he’s now the three-star commander of all Central Command’s air forces) identified this as the biggest problem facing the program two years ago."
     
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    That library up to 2001 was given to China with the Hinana incident.
     
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    MAKS 2019: Refined MiG-35 Gets New Missiles and Avionics

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...refined-mig-35-gets-new-missiles-and-avionics

     
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