China's strategy in Korean peninsula

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North Korea ballistic missile flew 2,700 km: South Korea military

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SEOUL (Reuters) - A North Korean ballistic missile launched on Tuesday from near the capital of Pyongyang flew about 2,700 km (1,677 miles) and reached an altitude of about 550 km, South Korea’s military said.

The missile was fired at around 2057 GMT Monday and flew over Japan, South Korea’s Joint Chief of Staffs said, adding that it and the U.S. military are analyzing more information.

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plawolf

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What is this obsession about insisting Japanese sources are reliable? I would say Japanese and South Korean sources are the least reliable ones out there when it comes to North Korea and China.

All the stories read like bad Hollywood rejected film scripts, with a giant dose of wishful thinking and propaganda thrown in for good measure.
 
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North Korea has fired a missile over Japan which Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has called the "most serious and grave ever" threat to the country.

The missile was fired just before 6 a.m. in Japan. The launch set off warnings in the northern part of the country urging people to seek shelter.
It flew over Erimomisaki, on the northern island of Hokkaido, and broke into three pieces before falling into the Pacific Ocean, about 1,180 kilometers (733 miles) off the Japanese coast.
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bluewater2012

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The Zhou Yongkang section is full of holes.

On August 17, 2012, President Hu Jintao met Jang Song-thaek in Beijing. Hu retired six month later. In other words, Hu was the lame duck president. And Jang trust him with top secret? And Jang did not know Zhou Yongkang's alleged network? If Jang wants to talk about things he should try to discuss with Xi Jinping instead.

In Jan 2013, Jang was not invited to the meeting of top North Korean officials. That is a sign he has fall out of favor already. If Kim knew that secret plan he won't allow Jang live for another 11 month.

The other big question mark is, why would Zhou Yongkang be so friendly to Kim?

Japanese likes to play up conspiracy theories and you will fall victim if you do not do any analysis.
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I've heard of this rumors an few months back from someone with an insider tips when Kim Jong Nam was assassinated (although glad to be able to read an online source speaking of similarity events). To answer your question above from what I'd heard, Zhou Yongkang originally wanted to conspire with BoXailai to ursurp power from Hu Jintao before the power switch to Xi Jinping later in 2012.


Wang Lijun hiding in U.S. embassy scandal case blew their cover open prematurely. BoXilai is also plotting for an similar cultural revolution coup. Shortly after Bo Xilai arrest (IIRC) there was this rumor that there were gunshot heard inside Beijing capital, and it was rumor that Zhou Yongkang commander of the police and security forces want to stage an coup against Hu JinTao outside the president building but were stopped short because news leaked the PLA commander (I forgot which army # commander was loyal to the party leader and not to Zhou Yongkang. The PLA side outmatched the PAP forces so it surrendered quietly and Zhou Yongkang was later arrested for another obvious reason (state leaked secrets) besides staging an coup. An interesting twist is this army group was later assigned to protect the capital in Beijing then on (this was the same army/group/corp/division? that refused to listen to follow Deng Xiaopeng order in 1989 Tiananmen protest to shoot protestors without the highest party consent (the commander was later sacked, it was originally based in Beijing but was ousted failing to follow Deng order). It's because of this failing coup that Xi Jinping immediate went after all his rivals and corruption officials and one reason Hu Jintao so willingly to give up his CMM title to Xi to consolidate his powers. If the coups were an success you can see why they're allying with Kim Un for obvious reason.


Someone can do the news digging to verify if there are any doubts or mistake cause I'm just speaking from what I can recall back.
 
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bluewater2012 said:
I've heard of this rumors an few months back from someone with an insider tips when Kim Jong Nam was assassinated (although glad to be able to read an online source speaking of similarity events). To answer your question above from what I'd heard, Zhou Yongkang originally wanted to conspire with BoXailai to ursurp power from Hu Jintao before the power switch to Xi Jinping later in 2012.
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The big hole in the theory is Zhou Yongkang helps Kim Jong Un for what purpose? So he can run to NK some day? If that happens China can easily retrieve him by threaten to cut off grain supply to NK. I'd say it is all conspiracy theory and no logic.

Let's just say Bo Xilai won and Xi Jinping lost, isn't Zhou's action limiting Bo's options when dealing with NK? Why is that a wise thing to do?
 
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kurutoga said:
Let's just say Bo Xilai won and Xi Jinping lost, isn't Zhou's action limiting Bo's options when dealing with NK? Why is that a wise thing to do?
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That I honestly do not know, maybe they're doing Kim Un an personal favor in return for something more grand in the future, but I do think keeping Kim Un in powers is better suited to their interests in the long run than having Kim Jong Nam as replacement who is more liberal, more pro Western and reforms while Bo Xilai & Zhou YangKong is both leftists and conservatives. Both of them want China to revert back to the old days Mao era. Just my own opinions.
 
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bluewater2012 said:
I've heard of this rumors an few months back from someone with an insider tips when Kim Jong Nam was assassinated (although glad to be able to read an online source speaking of similarity events). To answer your question above from what I'd heard, Zhou Yongkang originally wanted to conspire with BoXailai to ursurp power from Hu Jintao before the power switch to Xi Jinping later in 2012.


Wang Lijun hiding in U.S. embassy scandal case blew their cover open prematurely. BoXilai is also plotting for an similar cultural revolution coup. Shortly after Bo Xilai arrest (IIRC) there was this rumor that there were gunshot heard inside Beijing capital, and it was rumor that Zhou Yongkang commander of the police and security forces want to stage an coup against Hu JinTao outside the president building but were stopped short because news leaked the PLA commander (I forgot which army # commander was loyal to the party leader and not to Zhou Yongkang. The PLA side outmatched the PAP forces so it surrendered quietly and Zhou Yongkang was later arrested for another obvious reason (state leaked secrets) besides staging an coup. An interesting twist is this army group was later assigned to protect the capital in Beijing then on (this was the same army/group/corp/division? that refused to listen to follow Deng Xiaopeng order in 1989 Tiananmen protest to shoot protestors without the highest party consent (the commander was later sacked, it was originally based in Beijing but was ousted failing to follow Deng order). It's because of this failing coup that Xi Jinping immediate went after all his rivals and corruption officials and one reason Hu Jintao so willingly to give up his CMM title to Xi to consolidate his powers. If the coups were an success you can see why they're allying with Kim Un for obvious reason.


Someone can do the news digging to verify if there are any doubts or mistake cause I'm just speaking from what I can recall back.
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Why would Jang meet with Hu Jintao instead of Xi Jinping to discuss a possible coup?

Because Jang may not have been aware of how weak Hu Jintao was, and in any case, Hu was still the leader at the time.

But I still struggle to understand what would have motivated Zhou Yongkang to tell Kim about Jang's offer of a coup. If Zhou Yongkang had lots of corrupt dealings in North Korea, then why remove Jang who was the facilitator for all these projects over the years? And why would Zhou Yongkang have any preference for Fatty Kim over Jang?

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On Zhou Yongkang and Bo Xilai conspiring to take over with a coup, it is possible although I don't think there is enough information to say whether this was real. But note that we'll never know for real, given how sensitive such a topic is.

Zhou had spent 10 years overseeing China's internal security apparatus, so he must have got a taste for that sort of power. Plus such a role is creates or is part of a particular worldview. And we saw Bo Xilai go completely with Maoist-era ideology in Chongqing, plus he was also raised in Zhongnanhai as a princeling with that sense of entitlement because his father was one of the founders of the revolution.

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In any case, what we've seen is Zhou YongKang being purged by his fellow members in the Politburo, which is a big deal. So yes, Hu Jintao would have been keen to strengthen Xi Jinping's position by ceding control of the CMC, which would counter Zhou YongKang's people in the security services and the oil industry.

Whilst Hu and Xi may not agree on many things, Xi is widely regarded in the Communist Party as a "Mr Clean" who really believes in the CCP and China ("Redder than Red") and who is also ruthlessly effective at whatever he does. And that reputation has been formed over the course of his 40-years in the party and the subject to continuous performance appraisals conducted by the Organisation (HR) department.

The wikileaks cables and the unguarded comments published on video reinforce this view.

That indicates a certain moral core and purpose, which goes against acting in an arbitrary and capricious manner when you're in a position of power.
 
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China asks ROK, U.S. to stop THAAD deployment
Xinhua| 2017-08-29 19:10:28
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and the Republic of Korea (ROK) to respect the security interests and concerns of China and other regional countries, and to stop the deployment of the U.S. Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) missile defense system.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying made the remarks in response to a question regarding ROK protesters demanding THAAD be stopped ahead of a meeting between ROK and U.S. defense chiefs on Aug. 30.

THAAD deployment will not solve the security concerns of countries involved, Hua told a routine press briefing.

"Instead, it will obstruct the regional strategic balance, damage security interests of regional countries including China, and intensify tensions on the Korean Peninsula," she said.

China urged the ROK and United States to stop the THAAD deployment and withdraw related equipment, said the spokesperson.

The ROK Defense Minister Song Young-moo is scheduled to visit Washington this month to hold talks with his U.S. counterpart James Mattis on Aug. 30.

A group of anti-THAAD activists and residents living near the deployment site on Monday gathered outside the U.S. embassy in central Seoul, holding a press conference to demand the removal of the U.S. missile shield from ROK territory and appeal to the United States to stop pressuring the ROK for further deployment.
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