056 class FFL/corvette

FORBIN · Sep 17, 2017

Iron Man said:
I have no idea where you are getting these numbers from. US has 96, Japan has 42, Australia has 11, Korea has 25, UK has 19, France has 23. Of these, no UK and French ships would ever realistically be involved in any war with China. And neither would Korea or Australia unless their vital strategic interests were being threatened directly by China. Neither Taiwan nor DYT would count as vital strategic interests for either of these countries. As for the US, almost half are deployed either on the East Coast or in the European theater, leaving about 58 available to the Asian theater. 18 Japanese ships are either obsolescent or semi-obsolescent, leaving 24 modern warships. So in any realistic scenario involving major naval conflict between China and the US + Japan, you're looking at roughly 80-odd ships to deal with, with most of the US ships homeported in Guam, Hawaii or the West Coast, meaning their endurance is going to be much less than Chinese warships deployed right off their own coast.

Deployed number is not a good base i think varies by areas you can't be exact, according homeport better
CG/DDG Atlantic Fleet with 2/4/6 Fleets have 40, Pacific Fleet with 3/5/7 Fleets have 56
For 9 LCS in service + 87 CGs/DDGS with the 2 last new AB ( now 64 ) and the Zumwalt + 3 MSCs for this year, a 3th Burke for some months and remains 3 LCS in 2017 also 2 Virginia replacing 2 LA.

For Submarines SSNs + SSGns : 24 and 31
During 1980's about Atlantic Fleet 60 % and Pacific Fleet 40 %

Détails ...
The 7 Koreans Ulsan do 2200 t for size can be a Corvette and for amament is a Corvette
Same for the 6 Floréal but you are generous

but the designation Frigate is only for size for armament is a Corvette

and really OPV used, build for this duty in the overseas territories.
We have yes 17 true DDGs/FFGs.

Hendrik_2000 · Sep 24, 2017

Another day another type 56 soon to be commissioned So this would be the 35th out of 44 in the water

535 Xuancheng should be the 35th Corvette Type 056 to join the ranks of the Chinese Navy, his admission to active duty is close.

Jeff Head · Sep 29, 2017

Well, one thing is for sure, the Type 037 Haiqing and Hainan Classe, of which perhaps 130 were built and probably 80-9-0 are still active, will be decommissioned rapidly as these newer, more powerful, and muh better vessels come into service.

The importance of these vessels cannot be overstated.

They will be able to work along the entore coastline of China, and out to see somewhat, and particularly with land based ASW aircraft and helos to help, will be very efffective in all sorts of patrols, clear down into the SCS.

This will allows the Type 054A/xx and the Type 52C/Ds, and then the Type 55s to do their job at sea without having to commit many at all to the closer areas. This means plenty of very capable frigates and destroyers to form SAGs, escort carriers, escort Amphibious groups, and to show the flag effectively wherever nmeeded without worrying about any shortages.

I expect 80=-100 Type 056s will be built.

Then the plan is probably going to end up with andther 45-55 modern FFGs, and then maintain a force of 50-60 destroyers ultinately as well.

It will still take a few years...but that os where the PLAN is headed, and when they get there, most of the ships will be ten years old or less, and they can then work at a good rate, maintaining a strong shipbuilding presence to just m,aintain that large number of vessels for their naval needs far into the fuuture.

That's where I expect they are headed.

And they will have probably six carrier, eight LPDs and 4-6 larger LHD vessels to help drive that all home and give it the backup it needs, whether with air support or amphibious support.

antiterror13 · Sep 29, 2017

Jeff Head said:
Well, one thing is for sure, the Type 037 Haiqing and Hainan Classe, of which perhaps 130 were built and probably 80-9-0 are still active, will be decommissioned rapidly as these newer, more powerful, and muh better vessels come into service.

The importance of these vessels cannot be overstated.

They will be able to work along the entore coastline of China, and out to see somewhat, and particularly with land based ASW aircraft and helos to help, will be very efffective in all sorts of patrols, clear down into the SCS.

This will allows the Type 054A/xx and the Type 52C/Ds, and then the Type 55s to do their job at sea without having to commit many at all to the closer areas. This means plenty of very capable frigates and destroyers to form SAGs, escort carriers, escort Amphibious groups, and to show the flag effectively wherever nmeeded without worrying about any shortages.

I expect 80=-100 Type 056s will be built.

Then the plan is probably going to end up with andther 45-55 modern FFGs, and then maintain a force of 50-60 destroyers ultinately as well.

It will still take a few years...but that os where the PLAN is headed, and when they get there, most of the ships will be ten years old or less, and they can then work at a good rate, maintaining a strong shipbuilding presence to just m,aintain that large number of vessels for their naval needs far into the fuuture.

That's where I expect they are headed.

And they will have probably six carrier, eight LPDs and 4-6 larger LHD vessels to help drive that all home and give it the backup it needs, whether with air support or amphibious support.

I totally agree with your analysis ... just not sure of the time frame, perhaps 2040 ?

I just hope that PLAN and the USN can work together (apart from the diff) to maintain peace and FON all over the world (with somewhat British, French, Russia and India) ..... perhaps after 2025 when PLAN may have 3 operational CBGs

Lethe · Sep 29, 2017

I'm sure PLAN will have an ongoing requirement for vessels smaller than the 054 series, but I don't think 056 will fill that requirement going forward -- indeed there are already signs that 056 production is winding down.

Going forward I expect PLAN will commission a larger and more capable design to complement the 056s, perhaps in the ~2500 ton range and with a hanger to maintain an aerial component for ASW purposes. The trimaran frigate model seen a few months back is a possible candidate for such a vessel.

antiterror13 · Sep 29, 2017

Lethe said:
I'm sure PLAN will have an ongoing requirement for vessels smaller than the 054 series, but I don't think 056 will fill that requirement going forward -- indeed there are already signs that 056 production is winding down.

Going forward I expect PLAN will commission a larger and more capable design to complement the 056s, perhaps in the ~2500 ton range and with a hanger to maintain an aerial component for ASW purposes. The trimaran frigate model seen a few months back is a possible candidate for such a vessel.

But 056/A series is perfectly fine for 1st island chain ... and most likely cheaper to operate than ~2,500 ton light frigate. I agree PLAN may build 2,500 ton light frigates for outer 1st island chain and inner 2nd island chain ... but won't be as many .. so it would be a complimentary not replacing it

Would be interesting what the specs would be for 2,500 ton class light frigate? 24x VLS (capable quadpack), 1x hangar, 1x 24 cell HHQ-10, 2 CIWS ?

AndrewS · Sep 29, 2017

antiterror13 said:
But 056/A series is perfectly fine for 1st island chain ... and most likely cheaper to operate than ~2,500 ton light frigate. I agree PLAN may build 2,500 ton light frigates for outer 1st island chain and inner 2nd island chain ... but won't be as many .. so it would be a complimentary not replacing it

Would be interesting what the specs would be for 2,500 ton class light frigate? 24x VLS (capable quadpack), 1x hangar, 1x 24 cell HHQ-10, 2 CIWS ?

Well, a Type-56 is definitely not going to deployed beyond the 1st island chain, primarily due to its lack of air defence sensors and missiles, as well as endurance. It was purposely designed to operate in nearby waters under friendly land-based air cover (AWACS+Fighters). So why would a Type-56 need a VLS or extensive air defence weapons/sensors?

And if you go beyond (between the 1st and 2nd island chain), the PLAN is essentially operating in a highly contested environment. For that, even the Type-54 looks on the small side, so I don't see any space for a 2500ton light frigate.

plawolf · Sep 29, 2017

I am not so bearish about the 056's future prospects.

They can, and will mostly operate independently within the 1st island chain. But for operations further out, they will be deployed as part of a task force. So their individual lack of AD and hanger space is going to be of minimal issue.

I can see 056s operating very well as the ASW surface component with future PLAN LHDs as the flagship of the task group, with a couple of 054s and an 052C/D providing the air cover.

The lack of hanger is a non-issue with the LHD housing the helicopters, and the 056s will act as mobile forward refuelling and rearming pads (while also packing a pretty comprehensive suit of ship based ASW gear itself to boot) to massively extend the fleet ASW helos' range while offering enemy subs a target they would be loathed to attack. Whereas they would be far more inclined to attack if it was an 054A or 052C/D that was acting as the outer ASW picket.

In highly contested theatres, even PLAN carrier groups would be massively boosted with an 056 contingent that could perform the same forward ASW screen role.

Thereby presenting enemy subs with a ship they would not want to trade a sub for, but which they could not afford to leave alive either even if they could sneak past it, which would be a hard ask in itself.

Lethe · Sep 29, 2017

I see two major rationales for a vessel larger than 056 (while still smaller than 054):

1. To increase range, endurance and seakeeping qualities, allowing it to take on a greater subset of frigate taskings, thereby freeing additional vessels for blue water operations.

2. To create an affordable, first-rate ASW combatant able to make life difficult for hostile submarines within the congested waters of the first island chain and SCS. 056 is capable, but has several limitations as an ASW vessel: no hanger, no ASROC, and low top speed.

Would be interesting what the specs would be for 2,500 ton class light frigate? 24x VLS (capable quadpack), 1x hangar, 1x 24 cell HHQ-10, 2 CIWS

Notional specs:

1x 76mm main gun

16x VLS. Typical loadout: 6x AShM, 6x ASROC, 4x quad-pack MRSAM

1x Type 730/1130 or HHQ-10 CIWS

Torpedo Tubes, Bow, VDS, Towed array sonars

Hanger for 1x new-generation ASW helicopter

CODOG/CODAG propulsion (1xQC280)

Top Speed: 30-33 knots.

Displacement: ~2800 tons.

Jura The idiot · Sep 29, 2017

Lethe said:
... 056 is capable, but has several limitations as an ASW vessel: ..., no ASROC, ...

I now recalled
Nov 21, 2016

A.Man said:
056 has a new missile

View attachment 34171

Jura said:
the missile-torpedo from

?

later I read somewhere that ASROC was called Fish-8

now found this "somewhere":

davidau said:
Some details.....

056 missile corvette 89 meters long, with a displacement of 1300 ton, deep-v design.. armed with a 76 mm main gun, 2 auxiliary 30mm guns...
can carry a DC-9 ASW helicopter, with C-803 anti-ship missile, Fish 8 anti-submarine missile, ...

sorry if I misunderstood though

056 class FFL/corvette

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