056 class FFL/corvette

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Lethe

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Thanks, I did vaguely remember something about Yu-8 on 056 as I was typing. In any case the problem is that 056 can only carry four YJ-83/Yu-8 missiles total. And of course they're split directionally too, which is especially significant for Yu-8 owing to its short range and short burn time. An 'over the shoulder' shot with Yu-8 is probably impractical if not impossible. A 2+2 Yj-83/Yu-8 configuration (1+1 either side) doesn't leave much margin for ... anything really.
 

AndrewS

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I am not so bearish about the 056's future prospects.

They can, and will mostly operate independently within the 1st island chain. But for operations further out, they will be deployed as part of a task force. So their individual lack of AD and hanger space is going to be of minimal issue.

I can see 056s operating very well as the ASW surface component with future PLAN LHDs as the flagship of the task group, with a couple of 054s and an 052C/D providing the air cover.

The lack of hanger is a non-issue with the LHD housing the helicopters, and the 056s will act as mobile forward refuelling and rearming pads (while also packing a pretty comprehensive suit of ship based ASW gear itself to boot) to massively extend the fleet ASW helos' range while offering enemy subs a target they would be loathed to attack. Whereas they would be far more inclined to attack if it was an 054A or 052C/D that was acting as the outer ASW picket.

In highly contested theatres, even PLAN carrier groups would be massively boosted with an 056 contingent that could perform the same forward ASW screen role.

Thereby presenting enemy subs with a ship they would not want to trade a sub for, but which they could not afford to leave alive either even if they could sneak past it, which would be a hard ask in itself.

I'm looking at the endurance figures for the Type-56. And it works out as only 9 days at 16 knots, before it needs to be refueled. So how useful is that?

China really doesn't really want vulnerable ships crossing the first island chain barrier...
 
Thanks, I did vaguely remember something about Yu-8 on 056 as I was typing. In any case the problem is that 056 can only carry four YJ-83/Yu-8 missiles total. And of course they're split directionally too, which is especially significant for Yu-8 owing to its short range and short burn time. An 'over the shoulder' shot with Yu-8 is probably impractical if not impossible. A 2+2 Yj-83/Yu-8 configuration (1+1 either side) doesn't leave much margin for ... anything really.
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designation, which I assume refers to what I called Fish-8 above

playing an armchair commodore now: I would think an ASROC should be used to kill a sub at a long(er) range (and assuming a helo is unavailable), "in the open", ... while a torp should be used at a close range, "in the littorals";
as for the seemingly small number of available ASROCs: I'm bluffing Type 056 would go on an ASW mission in a pack (LOL but no, I don't know any details of PLAN tactics)
 

abc123

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43 build or for a year so sure 50 after possible 60 -70 and for the future waiting.

I still think that ( even if all Type 056 are ASW versions- and they are not ) that's too big number... Especially because they aren't stingy at all in construction of frigates or destroyers...
 

vincent

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I still think that ( even if all Type 056 are ASW versions- and they are not ) that's too big number... Especially because they aren't stingy at all in construction of frigates or destroyers...

Too many threats. Even the Aussie boosted they were able to sneak into Chinese territorial water undetected
 

abc123

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Too many threats. Even the Aussie boosted they were able to sneak into Chinese territorial water undetected

When someone can enter someone's territorial waters ( with a coastline long few thousamd kilometers ) undetected that's not some special thing. But enter, do something important and run away, that's something completely else.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the Chinese submarines can also enter Australian territorial waters undetected.
 

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