Maybe how it's going to look like in the end but at the present rate it seems like everything will just become operational just as their service life ends
Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)
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Jura The idiot
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one of the problem with LCSs sitting in a port, where they're "under accelerating learning curve" and where "their capabilities are coming online" according to spin doctors, is the ships and Sailors actually deployed are strained:
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Jura The idiot
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Jura The idiot
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Aug 18, 2017
BAE is in the race for the US FFG(X) with its Type 26 frigate
50 minutes ago
... and here's the most recent info:
BAE is in the race for the US FFG(X) with its Type 26 frigate
50 minutes ago
The BAE Type 26 would could make a good US Frigate.
But just as BAE has a "leg up" in the UK, Lockheed has a "leg up" in the US and lots of pork.
The new Freedom class 125m design would actually make a good frigate and is probably what the Freedom class should have always been.
All I know is that the US Navy simply HAS to have a good, war-fighter for a frigate.
Upgrading the existing LCS will help, particularly if you make most of the modular stuff permanent, give it more weaponry and armor, and keep its crew large enough to fight the ship and do battle damage.
Then build class of 30 true frigates that have all of that capability and more from the start.
I believe the new Lockheed design will do that...I believe the Type 26 certainly could do that...and in fact I believe a properly armed Type 31 or Arrowhead proposal could do that.
The US Navy simply needs to get back on track with a true frigate and quit spinning its wheels.
But just as BAE has a "leg up" in the UK, Lockheed has a "leg up" in the US and lots of pork.
The new Freedom class 125m design would actually make a good frigate and is probably what the Freedom class should have always been.
All I know is that the US Navy simply HAS to have a good, war-fighter for a frigate.
Upgrading the existing LCS will help, particularly if you make most of the modular stuff permanent, give it more weaponry and armor, and keep its crew large enough to fight the ship and do battle damage.
Then build class of 30 true frigates that have all of that capability and more from the start.
I believe the new Lockheed design will do that...I believe the Type 26 certainly could do that...and in fact I believe a properly armed Type 31 or Arrowhead proposal could do that.
The US Navy simply needs to get back on track with a true frigate and quit spinning its wheels.
Navy Accepts Delivery of Future LCS USS Omaha
Confirm homeports for the 26 first, not active in italic
15 to San Diego, Littoral Combat Ship Squadron 1 : 7 active + 8 will be homeported
11 to Mayport, Littoral Combat Ship Squadron 2 : 2 active + 9 will be homeported
Milwaukee LCS 5, Detroit LCS 7 plus 9 Freedom : Little Rock (LCS 9), Sioux City (LCS 11), Wichita (LCS 13), Billings (LCS 15), Indianapolis (LCS 17), St Louis ( LCS 19 ), Minneapolis/St. Paul ( LCS 21 ), Cooperstown ( LCS 23 ), Marinette ( LCS 25)
After possible also to Bahrain/Manama and Singapore/Changji.
Confirm homeports for the 26 first, not active in italic
15 to San Diego, Littoral Combat Ship Squadron 1 : 7 active + 8 will be homeported
plus LCS 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26 Independence class
11 to Mayport, Littoral Combat Ship Squadron 2 : 2 active + 9 will be homeported
Milwaukee LCS 5, Detroit LCS 7 plus 9 Freedom : Little Rock (LCS 9), Sioux City (LCS 11), Wichita (LCS 13), Billings (LCS 15), Indianapolis (LCS 17), St Louis ( LCS 19 ), Minneapolis/St. Paul ( LCS 21 ), Cooperstown ( LCS 23 ), Marinette ( LCS 25)
After possible also to Bahrain/Manama and Singapore/Changji.
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One thing is for sure...if either of these manufacturers gets the frigate upgrade to their LCS...then they will be able to quickly build them.
They are building 3 and 4 at a tiome in each yard now with both building and could easily commission 3 per year with both being built.
I believe that it is very possible that the Freedom class upgrade will get the FFG contract. If they do, they would be in a position to put out two a year at the rate they are building now.
We shall see who wins it. As I have said, there are couple of other proposals that are good.
If it were me, I would have the Freedom production line continue with the FFG version of that vessel and then do a full upgrade on the weaponry and sensors of the existing Freedom LCS class.
Then I would take all of the Independence class and dedicate them to two main functions:
1) As Amphibious Assault Group escorts and multipliers.
2) As counter mine, and mine laying vessels.
Secondary functions could be:
a) Non-combat show the flag visits and good will.
b) Humanitarian support.
3) Counter drug operations.
They would get the ASW upgrade, also have the Hellfire missiles, and finely give them four ASM missiles each, along with the SeaRAM that they would keep, the ability to carry two medium helos, and the 57mm main gun.
This proposal would solve the US LCS/FFG issue.
You would end up with 28 FFGs+ 13 FFs (which would be the upgraded existing Freedom class LCS vessels). In essence, 41 FFGs.
The you would also have 13 new vessels to assist the Phibrons and to assist the Avenger class MMC vessels as well.
They are building 3 and 4 at a tiome in each yard now with both building and could easily commission 3 per year with both being built.
I believe that it is very possible that the Freedom class upgrade will get the FFG contract. If they do, they would be in a position to put out two a year at the rate they are building now.
We shall see who wins it. As I have said, there are couple of other proposals that are good.
If it were me, I would have the Freedom production line continue with the FFG version of that vessel and then do a full upgrade on the weaponry and sensors of the existing Freedom LCS class.
Then I would take all of the Independence class and dedicate them to two main functions:
1) As Amphibious Assault Group escorts and multipliers.
2) As counter mine, and mine laying vessels.
Secondary functions could be:
a) Non-combat show the flag visits and good will.
b) Humanitarian support.
3) Counter drug operations.
They would get the ASW upgrade, also have the Hellfire missiles, and finely give them four ASM missiles each, along with the SeaRAM that they would keep, the ability to carry two medium helos, and the 57mm main gun.
This proposal would solve the US LCS/FFG issue.
You would end up with 28 FFGs+ 13 FFs (which would be the upgraded existing Freedom class LCS vessels). In essence, 41 FFGs.
The you would also have 13 new vessels to assist the Phibrons and to assist the Avenger class MMC vessels as well.
Jura The idiot
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Aug 18, 2017
was it yet another PR stunt by the USN, to buy time when twenty-six almost unarmed hulls of PORK have to be procured?
I wouldn't be surprised if that "FFG(X)" was just another round of talking ('issues are addressed', 'eventually', 'ultimately', 'will deliver', ...): the USN will need to man those twenty-six hulls anyway OK
long short:
DOES THE USN WANT A FFG(X)?
(all I've recently noticed EDIT about this RFI is the BAE kidding itself
... so what's the status now (it's been almost one month)?
was it yet another PR stunt by the USN, to buy time when twenty-six almost unarmed hulls of PORK have to be procured?
I wouldn't be surprised if that "FFG(X)" was just another round of talking ('issues are addressed', 'eventually', 'ultimately', 'will deliver', ...): the USN will need to man those twenty-six hulls anyway OK
long short:
DOES THE USN WANT A FFG(X)?
(all I've recently noticed EDIT about this RFI is the BAE kidding itself
with a nonexistent one-billion pounds "product")
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