ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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    SAA is Syrian Arab Army. SDF is a mix of Arabs, Asyrian and Kurds, primarily Kurdish fighters.

    Russia did not condemn but did voice disapproval, even the Syrian government's voice was very mild "defend territory with all legal means" instead of "drive out invaders". So yes, there is some understanding (of Turkish move) among every party except the Kurds. That is the common ground I said.

    The Turks may want to insert their proxy in the post civil war Syrian government, so they are supporting the FSF remnant and trying to replace Kurds with FSA at the border. But forcefully doing so in the future by directly fighting SAA would be suicidal.

    By invading Syria, it has already lost support from the west. By fighting SAA on Syrian soil, Turkey will become enemy of the world. Yesterday, China has called Turkey to pull out without condemnation in the same line of Russia, the last of the UNSC P5 to make a statement. I see that as the line drawn by all powers.
     
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    here comes the press release
    China calls on Turkey to stop military operations in Syria
    Xinhua| 2019-10-15 20:35:40 http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/15/c_138473937.htm

     
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    continue to #5921,

    I think Turkey's move is silently "approved" by the Russian/Syrian/Iran side. There is a unspoken rule of great power engagement seen in Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea where the big powers do not directly engage one another, but use proxies. US and Russia are all in Syria, they won't face off one another, so one has to leave. US will not leave on the demand of Syria which will be too humiliating. NATO member Turkey's invasion in the name of fighting YPG would give and has given Trump a good excuse to leave.
     
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    interesting speculations by gazeta.ru (https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/10/20/12766730.shtml) about an alleged coordination between Turks, Russia and USA in the move against Kurds, in short no incidents, US leaving just like that

    well I add I have been suspicious for some time, as in
    US Military News, Reports, Data, etc. Monday at 7:34 AM
     
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    Sunday at 7:08 PM
    now for those who thought I was paranoid (LOL)

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    Trump lifts all sanctions against Turkey https://us.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/syria-turkey-russia-10-23-2019/index.html
     
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    Trump got played by both Turks and Russians.

    "Art of the deal" in action.
     
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    https://globalnews.ca/news/6074745/russia-syria-trump-border-turkey/

    A rare piece of good news. The Syrian conflict is finally ending after so many years. The only thing I wonder is where the Kurds are going? Seems strange that they accepted this so meekly. I think we might see some more complications from them, but without any outside support and facing both Russia and Turkey, they are unlikely to amount to anything.
     
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    Pentagon spokesman claimed they are keeping ISIS from oil fields but Trump seems to think otherwise.
     
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