Hong-Kong Protests

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  1. solarz
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    The 1C2S plan was designed to give China a definitive date of recovering HK with a transition period built-in. The error here is that we all thought 1997 was that date, when it was really 2047.

    Martin Jacques once remarked that he was astonished to see no difference in HK between June 30th 1997 and July 1st 1997. We know that Beijing left in place all of HK's legal and political infrastructures, with the only difference being the PLA garrison. In everything but name, the recovery of HK has not yet happened.

    In that light, I believe what we are seeing right now is foreign forces attempting to trash HK before that recovery can happen.
     
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    This remark of yours as much of a cheap shot as Bannon the scammer saying stupid shit like "US military should bomb the Chinese SCS island bases", or "The CCP is reluctant to intervene in HK because HK is more important than mainlanders like to think". These are cheap shots because it takes advantage of the fact that the general public is uneducated in these complex matters and thus will tend to resort to "peasant logic".

    The general audience will swallow these cheap shots because these points sounds more straight forward. Compare to these, a more truthful and accurate depiction of the matter will sound much more complex, more convoluted and counter-intuitive to the general public.
     
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    This kind of rhetoric reminds me of right-leaning Japanese who insist that they won WW2 against China, but lost to the US. Those people are impossible to talk to, because they are only seeking comfort in rhetoric that fit their own pride and zeal. They don't care about the truth.

    Truth matters, because your life and your future depends on it. Falsehood could perhaps grant you momentary comfort, it blinds you and thus deprives you of your life and your future.
     
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    I'm really shocked at why so many Western companies seem to be unable to come up with a coherent strategy and stick with it rather than doing things and cancelling them out with opposite things. It's like the companies just can't get everyone on the same page. Apple just formed some partnerships with Chinese suppliers for its parts including the new screens in an effort to get back into the Chinese market and to be seen as a Chinese partner rather than a rival. Now it does this to create hostility against the Chinese market. When this news spreads, Apple will tank further in China. Houston Rockets manager gets political for no effing reason at all, supporting the HK riots on social media to earn his company an immediate ban from the CBA with a nosediving drop in Chinese sponsorship before several team members go online to proclaim their love for China and the manager goes on to issue an apology saying he now knows better. Why?? Did he not foresee what would happen as soon as he wrote that he supported the riots? Why put the team through all this?
     
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    When you say weak and ineffectual government... man I can't agree more. It is so painful to watch HK government make one stupid mistake after another, they are comically incompetent.
    But then the HK government is mostly comprised of professional bureaucrats, good at running a government, they are not propagandist, but still...
    Problem is CCP can't just mind their own business in home base, if it works once the Americans will try it over and over again. As China's interest expand, good enough at home base is not good enough anymore.
     
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    what you've said is kind of related to
    Global brands better stay away from politics
    Source:Global Times Published: 2019/10/7 21:57:02
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1166183.shtml

     
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    I hope you're right, CCP better work on this pronto. When I say it is a new kind of warfare I not just making buzz words, US have performed multiple runs of this type of warfare already. If they can't win conventionally, this might just become their new weapon of choice.
     
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    Are you trying to attract attention for yourself?

    I'm on my phone as well right now and even I can write a short two sentence commentary on this article:

    "The global times has written an article criticizing apple for allowing an app which has been said to enable rioters to organize among themselves. Various Chinese users have expressed discontent particularly at the listing of SAR territories as separate from China, but it's yet to be seen what if any action apple may take."

    If you posted articles as a smaller percentage of your overall posts, it would also be acceptable to post an article without any personal commentary if appropriate. But the nature of your posts is such that the vast majority are article posts with little to no personal commentary.

    Even Solarz's single sentence comment in that article about the HSBC story was fine as at least it summarised what the story was about.

    I have no interest to continuously come back to you in this thread, but I think the requests that I and the other active moderators have expressed are very reasonable and it would be appreciated if you abided to them without this facetious sass.
     
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    You might want to read my post carefully before you decide which side I am on.
     
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    Very true, but once again, I think the core issue here is that you are placing Hong Kong on an incorrect level in the hierarchy of things. You are thinking, if the US can defect these young guys even in a part of Chinese territory, China has no chance in the rest of the world. When in actuality, Hong Kong has a terrible illness that made it more susceptible to this than many other parts of the world. In most countries except America's staunch allies, China's popularity is rising. Africans regard China as a worthy new global leader and over the slavery and exploitation brought on by Americans and Europeans. Malaysians are strongly pro-China. Iran, but that's more about the US screwing itself than what China has to do. Germans are saying that the Chinese are more reliable business partners than Americans. Ever-since Trump took office, the effect has been much more pronounced than even what China had expected regarding the global trend of the US losing out and China gaining in the hearts of global citizens.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...moves-ahead-of-us-in-global-leadership-survey
    China Moves Ahead of U.S. in Global Leadership Survey
    By Sintia Radu Feb. 28, 2019
    THE GLOBAL VIEW OF Chinese leadership is now higher than the U.S., according to a newly released survey that also shows the Russia has pulled into a virtual tie with America.

    The Gallup poll released on Thursday measured opinions in 133 countries of four countries: China, Germany, Russia and the U.S. The poll, conducted in 2018, showed a median approval for U.S. leadership was 31 percent, while 30 percent approve of Russia's leadership. China received a 34 percent approval rating and Germany finished at the top, with a 39 percent approval rating.

    The global views of China and Russia rose substantially from the previous year. The 34 percent approval rating for China was the country's highest since 2009. The 30 percent approval rating for Russian leadership was that country's highest since 2008.

    The approval ratings for China and Russia rose by at least 10 percentage points from the previous year in more than a dozen countries. Neither the U.S. nor Germany saw such large gains in as many countries. The disapproval ratings for Germany (22 percent), China (28 percent) and Russia (31 percent) were lower than the U.S.

     
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