Hong-Kong Protests

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  1. enroger
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    Okay, I'll concede that CCP was perhaps once good at those things, but they have obviously lost touch of it. It is safe to say their propaganda game is so far behind the US it is not even funny.
     
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    What the US and its allies are doing in HK right now is akin to the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, where the Vietcong rose up en mass to attack the Americans. While it was a public relations success, the Tet Offensive was disastrous in military terms, with the Vietcong was effectively wiped out.

    Unlike the Americans however, the PLA will never withdraw from Hong Kong, and the Chinese people are united behind CCP leadership.

    This HK insurgency is not some new form of warfare, it is an act of desperation by an organization that is seeing its influence fading away.
     
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    I dunno about that either. The CCP has much much greater support in China than the GOP has support in the USA. Hong Kong is such a low-hanging fruit that it's basically already rotting on the ground from an identity crisis and several other mental problems left behind by the British. Even though it is technically true, in spirit, it is wrong to believe that American propaganda is so superior that it turned a city of Chinese people against China. Those people were already badly infected with the wrong ideas to begin with starting from many decades ago. Despite their ethnicity, it is China that begins fighting the uphill battle here and China will ultimately make the city just like any other Chinese city. Today, many Hong Kongers who used to be moderately pro-democracy are looking to Beijing after seeing what democratic ideas make people do in Hong Kong.
     
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    I don't think the perpetrator's goal is about actual political change, anyone with half a brain knows it is impossible. Their goal as I've said is to create maximum disruption, make it as painful for China as possible, destroy Hong Kong's economic basis, damage China's international reputation etc.

    Hong Kong is just a side show in the grand scheme of things, therefore all this is not meant as a killing blow but a distraction. In a game of chess you don't just focus on the queen, a pawn is pawn you know.
     
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    I agree with you on all point, Hong Kong is indeed a low hanging fruit. But it is working isn't it?
     
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    Rick would want me to comment beyond saying it's interesting, but what should I say when I don't have a smartphone (really):
    Apple slammed for approving app that allegedly helps HK rioters
    Source:Global Times Published: 2019/10/7 19:53:40
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1166158.shtml

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    First of all, no.
    The CCP will always be better at these than the West. The first reason you would think it is not is because they are already absolutely dominant in their home base the Mainland China, so you don't see them in actions. The second reason you would think it is not is because the CCP has not yet unleashed any of that in Hong Kong yet. The CCP is better at this because the CCP is fundamentally different from the governments/political-parties in the West. They are not the same kind of thing.

    The CCP is NOT the same as the Communist Party of the USSR, they are very different. The US can ONLY do their damage in these type of new social warfare in a society that is already deeply westernized AND having an weak and ineffectual government. This would mean that Mainland China is immune to such.
     
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    Yet their maximum disruption is really not all that painful for China, strategically speaking. Emotionally yes, it is very painful, but all that achieves is the Chinese people stand more united than ever. Where are the Chinese "democracy activists" these days? Why are we not hearing them condemning the CCP for "human rights violations" in HK?

    So what does it say when Western forces can reduce HK to a shell of its former self, and the rest of China is virtually unaffected?

    I think it speaks to China's resiliency.
     
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    Working at catalyzing chaos in a group that's already prone to it, but we are not contending that. We are contending your point that the USA is far superior in propaganda and mind manipulation, which I said that the current events in Hong Kong cannot serve as evidence for. In Hong Kong, the CIA is simply manifesting the symptoms of a disease that's already there. Beijing's goal now is to use the symptoms to better understand the cure the disease, a task vastly more difficult than attacking a rotten fruit but nonetheless, in line with all of the magnanimous tasks that Beijing has accomplished since 1949.
     
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