China demographics thread.

FairAndUnbiased

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I think these are officially banned in China, aren't they?
None of them are banned. In fact, female authored feminist homosexual literature is extremely popular.

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I don't have a problem with this tbh. As long as it is purely Chinese in origin and not linked to neolib regime propaganda, I can't see the harm in it.
 

tokenanalyst

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Parroting Tucker Carlson grievances will do absolutely nothing to remedy China's demographic issues. The truth is that socially conservative countries in East Asia have identical or worse demographics than virtually all Western "woke" countries, even if you adjust for immigration. If you want to blame culture, a more realistic culprit is the combination of a capitalist, highly individualized consumer culture, combined with East Asian work culture. Add overpriced housing to this, and you will find that a high TFR is almost incompatible with modern capitalist urbanized life in East Asia.

People like to look for easy solutions that fit their cultural preferences, but simply flipping a "no feminism" switch won't do a thing (especially in countries that have little feminism in the first place). Rather, you have to recreate the material conditions that encouraged childbearing, be it low-tech rural farming or single income families. The only other way is massive government investment/redistribution to pay parents for the cost of having children, including career-related opportunity costs.

Things like "appreciation of motherhood" will come when the economy, and the way society is structured stops discouraging motherhood, not when you've kicked out all the feminists or w/e.
I am not parroting nothing, I am just responding to the pro-natalism comment, I not even advocating for nothing, I am saying that nothing in life come for free and there always a cost, even for progress. There is always options, society either accept reality and move on. Or change and prepare to accept new costs.
The same goes for de-globalization, climate change and so on. Combating Climate change will come at a cost but doing nothing will come with another cost. Society will just have to accept which cost is higher.
 

Quan8410

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Han Dynasty literally introduce "single" tax for any female that remained single. Emperor Hui of Han increase it even more so no family dare to let their daughter remain single. Time for China to do the same. When you don't get married and have children before 30, expect a tax. Just learn from the history. 5000 years of widom is there.
 

A potato

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Han Dynasty literally introduce "single" tax for any female that remained single. Emperor Hui of Han increase it even more so no family dare to let their daughter remain single. Time for China to do the same. When you don't get married and have children before 30, expect a tax. Just learn from the history. 5000 years of widom is there.
Or do what kazakhstan did and sponser ethnic han Chinese to return to China.
 

sndef888

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People always forget one of the, if not the largest factor when it comes to demographics: urbanisation and the resulting cost of living

If I were a top official trying to reverse the demographic trend in China, I would be revamping China's city planning

Currently the issue with China's urban planning is nobody wants to live outside of expensive large cities. Villages are scattered and dead places, medium-large towns lack the "small town feel" of open skies and slow pace of life that people like because they copy the exact same crappy grid-based urban planning and high rise apartments as large cities.

There's just no reason not to live in a large city where you can get a better pay.

The solution is to create new towns of 100-200k people with small town style planning, shophouse clusters, attractions, nature etc. Not every place needs massive 6 lane roads and monotonous apartment blocks. Create towns that young people who don't like city life can actually live relaxed lives with low cost of living and affordable double storey homes (while not being completely dead like small villages)
 
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If China can take the lead on the 4th industrial revolution, I think its population issues will be more than manageable.

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Now that the crackdown on tech companies and zero Covid are over, perhaps more money can go into R&D to accomplish this task.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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People always forget one of the, if not the largest factor when it comes to demographics: urbanisation and the resulting cost of living

If I were a top official trying to reverse the demographic trend in China, I would be revamping China's city planning

Currently the issue with China's urban planning is nobody wants to live outside of expensive large cities. Villages are scattered and dead places, medium-large towns lack the "small town feel" of open skies and slow pace of life that people like because they copy the exact same crappy grid-based urban planning and high rise apartments as large cities.

There's just no reason not to live in a large city where you can get a better pay.

The solution is to create new towns of 100-200k people with small town style planning, shophouse clusters, attractions, nature etc. Not every place needs massive 6 lane roads and monotonous apartment blocks. Create towns that young people who don't like city life can actually live relaxed lives with low cost of living and affordable double storey homes (while not being completely dead like small villages)
No room for that, China is a large country but not 1 inch of the territory is extraneous. In addition Soviets and Japanese in the 1950s-1980s proved you can have block apartments with population growth if they're cheap enough and have good social policy.

Just need to put amenities close to where people live, better public transit and reduce costs of living and education in at least the mid sized cities and below.
 

sndef888

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No room for that, China is a large country but not 1 inch of the territory is extraneous. In addition Soviets and Japanese in the 1950s-1980s proved you can have block apartments with population growth if they're cheap enough and have good social policy.

Just need to put amenities close to where people live, better public transit and reduce costs of living and education in at least the mid sized cities and below.
If you look at a satellite view of China, especially in the central plains, there is more than enough space (if all the random villages built all over the place are relocated).

But I would agree it's not a realistic plan at least in the short term, because of how hard it is to make village folk move in China
 

FairAndUnbiased

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If you look at a satellite view of China, especially in the central plains, there is more than enough space (if all the random villages built all over the place are relocated).

But I would agree it's not a realistic plan at least in the short term, because of how hard it is to make village folk move in China
I think education is the big one. Right now it is still too hard to get into a 4 year university.

People want to get into 4 year universities because jobs for secondary level trade schools and tertiary level associates degrees don't pay enough in general. In addition, most trade school and associates jobs that pay well are traditionally for men (like machinist or electrician), women have more pressure to do well in school.
 
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