The War in the Ukraine

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Anlsvrthng

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WarAndPeace said:
Msta-S M2 howitzer used by the new 3rd Army Corps.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601084415999778817
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For me the video of the Giatsint is interesting.


The ram failed in the machine, but it has only minimal impact of the performance of loading. The ram jaw designed to be the backstop of the projectile.


Interesting to compare the design of the guns with the billions of fancy autoloading systems,
, and think a bit about those very nice, complex machine how could behave in a dirty, wet, muddy trench, where everything is covered with mud and camouflage net , wood branches,chips .

Definitivly, the old soviet equipment superior compared to any other fancy new one, like M777 or the other goldberg machines.
 
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Tam

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Translated stuff from @rybar. This is probably connected to some of the videos posted. The meta remains dominated by artillery and drones.

Ukrainian formations made another
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near Donetsk. A large convoy of vehicles from 15 infantry fighting vehicles, MT-LB and Mastiff armored vehicles moved from Pervomaisky to Vodyany and went in the direction of Pesok.

Timely detection made it possible to quickly take measures to stop the breakthrough of Ukrainian units. The infantry and armored vehicles found themselves under heavy fire from artillerymen of the 238th brigade of the RF Armed Forces, tankers, as well as soldiers from the Sparta and Somalia battalions.

During the fire impact, the enemy suffered heavy losses, irrevocably losing several vehicles. The infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was forced to retreat and go to the starting lines.

Since the loss of Pesok by Ukrainian crossings, they have repeatedly sent armored groups there in order to recapture the settlement. Each such attack ended for the enemy in the death of personnel and the loss of equipment. However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sending more and more forces to these suicidal offensives.


Pic of Mastiffs below. It looks like something from Mad Max.

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plawolf

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There have been frankly amazingly little tank-on-tank direct engagements in this war thus far, largely due to how effective recon and artillery have been on both sides and how static the lines have generally been.

Any armour that stay on the front too long are liable to get tagged by recon drones and deleted by enemy artillery shortly afterwards.

That forced tanks and other armour to be held back from the front and only used to spearhead attacks or counter enemy pushes, with dug in infantry used to hold the lines.

That meant most engagements involving tanks tended to be tanks vs dug in infantry, rather than traditional large tank battles. Even then, most unsupported armoured pushes tend to get blunted by infantry ATGMs and artillery, and by the time defensive armour support arrives, enemy attacking amour has already retreated.

That, I think, is the main reason the west has held back from rushing in their top to the line tanks. Because if Leo’s and Abrams could have turned the tides of this war, they would have been sent already. But under such circumstances, Leo2 and Abrams etc are not going to perform much better than T72s. They cannot punch through dug in infantry any better and can be deleted by artillery just as easily.

The main reason they are suggesting sending Leos now is probably more down to them having nothing else left than they can send.
 
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sheogorath

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Seems the Ukranian fired a massive artillery barrage into downtown Donetsk like it is 2014. You'd think Ukranian leadership would be smart enough to know this won't gain them any favors with the locals and that it is a waste of the limited ammo they have.

And totally not lashing out, only the Russians lash out when they strike energy facilities.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601187210665287681

Su-35S doing some SEAD though probably two different sorties as the Su-35 taking off has one Kh-31P and 2 R-73 and the one with the cockpit view has 1 Kh-31P, 2 R-73 and 2 R-77-1. There are missiles between the nacelles in both cases, likely R-37M which now seem part of the standard Su-35 loadout.
 
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Atomicfrog

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Tam said:
4th Brigade of the LPR in heavy engagement. Tank vs. tank battles in an urban environment.

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All hatch opes in urban environment, lets go ! They probably see nothing without getting out of protection... no wonder there's many losses. You put more Hight tech observation equipments, they become useless covered with mud and apertures sandblasted by artillery blast. Clearly we see the return of WW1 / WW2 style of combat with near peer opponents situation. It fall back slowly to the basics of grinding slowly the opponent with artillery or direct fire. Use of small UAV is the biggest difference.
 
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Tam

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Atomicfrog said:
All hatch opes in urban environment, lets go ! They probably see nothing without getting out of protection... no wonder there's many losses. You put more Hight tech observation equipments, they become useless covered with mud and apertures sandblasted by artillery blast. Clearly we see the return of WW1 / WW2 style of combat with near peer opponents situation. It fall back slowly to the basics of grinding slowly the opponent with artillery or direct fire. Use of small UAV is the biggest difference.
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Ukrainian use of pickups doesn't help their cause and contribute to their rise in casualties.


A hit on an armored vehicle caused the pickup next to it to explode. If the pickup has people riding on it, well...
 
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