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pevade

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Foreign firms prefers Coastal provinces. but China moving industries in central , southwest Chinese regions. mostly domestic giants and recently government announced new policies to encourage FDI in these regions. Chongqing , Chengdu , kumming. Guiyang and many more unknown cities.
The government favors moving energy intensive production more inland because renewables are concentrated more in the northwest of China. Ex: Datacenters
 

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This is one of the most fascinating webinars I've looked at, about 4th industrial revolution. A Huawei exec was part of the panel and really talked about how Huawei technology in 5G, AI, robotics and IoT is being used in industries and especially in this mining case. More facsinating than anything else is the discussion about Harmony OS being used in industries. Harmony is designed to work with not just phones, tablets and PCs, but also industrial machines, wearables and everything else. This brings tremendous synergy between every phone, tablet and IoT devices that are using Harmony. In someways, Android is like that too, but I think Harmony is trying to encompass an even large world than Android is. China has significant advantages in industrial usage that America doesn't have. Therefore, Android is not developed to work with mining industry machines, but Harmony is. On top of that, devices using Harmony can naturally utilize 5G technology for communication and allow them to be controlled remotely by operators so that people are not put in danger in doing those work. David Goldman in fact asked the German guest if they have something like that in Europe. And Germany does not.

Huawei exec also talked about how large part of Chinese industries are using Industry 2.5. How they can upgrade directly to Industry 4.0 to gain an advantage (leap over their competition).

This is quite interesting. Reminds me of what they are doing right now with EVs and solar/wind industries. China is targeting the future industries while Europeans have been resting on their knowledge or industry 3.0 experience. At some point, every country is going to want to use 5G, AI, robotics and IoT and Europeans can't offer that. Beyond that, Huawei execs talked about how China continues to buy machines from Western countries and those machines can be made to work with Harmony OS. Think about that, having Chinese customers push their Western machine makers to use Harmony OS so that those machines can work better with rest of China's tech infrastructure. And if those companies like Harmony OS, now all the industrial machines are going to use Harmony OS rather than their self developed OS. One thing we find in EV is that Europeans don't have a great software industry. VW has to rely on CARIAD and Horizon Robotics for their future AV project. Now, Western intelligence haven't caught onto this possibility yet, but it's one where Chinese customers can nudget their European partners toward.
 

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This is one of the most fascinating webinars I've looked at, about 4th industrial revolution. A Huawei exec was part of the panel and really talked about how Huawei technology in 5G, AI, robotics and IoT is being used in industries and especially in this mining case. More facsinating than anything else is the discussion about Harmony OS being used in industries. Harmony is designed to work with not just phones, tablets and PCs, but also industrial machines, wearables and everything else. This brings tremendous synergy between every phone, tablet and IoT devices that are using Harmony. In someways, Android is like that too, but I think Harmony is trying to encompass an even large world than Android is. China has significant advantages in industrial usage that America doesn't have. Therefore, Android is not developed to work with mining industry machines, but Harmony is. On top of that, devices using Harmony can naturally utilize 5G technology for communication and allow them to be controlled remotely by operators so that people are not put in danger in doing those work. David Goldman in fact asked the German guest if they have something like that in Europe. And Germany does not.

Huawei exec also talked about how large part of Chinese industries are using Industry 2.5. How they can upgrade directly to Industry 4.0 to gain an advantage (leap over their competition).

This is quite interesting. Reminds me of what they are doing right now with EVs and solar/wind industries. China is targeting the future industries while Europeans have been resting on their knowledge or industry 3.0 experience. At some point, every country is going to want to use 5G, AI, robotics and IoT and Europeans can't offer that. Beyond that, Huawei execs talked about how China continues to buy machines from Western countries and those machines can be made to work with Harmony OS. Think about that, having Chinese customers push their Western machine makers to use Harmony OS so that those machines can work better with rest of China's tech infrastructure. And if those companies like Harmony OS, now all the industrial machines are going to use Harmony OS rather than their self developed OS. One thing we find in EV is that Europeans don't have a great software industry. VW has to rely on CARIAD and Horizon Robotics for their future AV project. Now, Western intelligence haven't caught onto this possibility yet, but it's one where Chinese customers can nudget their European partners toward.
Fun anecdote. Once upon a time I was doing some NGO work on sustainable urban development in China and my boss/mentor’s French husband was a professor for a partnership program between Beijing Aerospace university and a French university, and one of his colleagues wanted to meet with us to explore potential partnerships, and he was neck deep obsessed with the 4th Industrial Revolution as the next major technology driven revolution and how it would transform urban development. This was in 2016.
 

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On quantum computing by Origin Quantum
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They are looking to push out 72 qubits quantum computer for commercial usage by the end of 2022. Last year, CAS developed China's first 62 qubits quantum computer prototype. This year, origin Quantum's 72 qubits computer moves from lab to actual usage.

Customers can use Origin Quantum Cloud to use quantum computer. Before this, Origin Quantum has already moved from 24 to 64 Qubits.

Keep in mind that IBM has a 433 qubits quantum computer that it pushed out in November called Osprey. So, China is still a couple of years behind here. But that's not in commercial usage. I'm not sure how well Origin Quantum's computer can actually be used for commercial purposes.
 

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On quantum computing by Origin Quantum
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They are looking to push out 72 qubits quantum computer for commercial usage by the end of 2022. Last year, CAS developed China's first 62 qubits quantum computer prototype. This year, origin Quantum's 72 qubits computer moves from lab to actual usage.

Customers can use Origin Quantum Cloud to use quantum computer. Before this, Origin Quantum has already moved from 24 to 64 Qubits.

Keep in mind that IBM has a 433 qubits quantum computer that it pushed out in November called Osprey. So, China is still a couple of years behind here. But that's not in commercial usage. I'm not sure how well Origin Quantum's computer can actually be used for commercial purposes.

Well, commercial and in the lab are two totally different. I don't think China is behind in quantum computer than the US .. perhaps a bit behind but not much and we safely can say on par between China and US . Both China and the US are far ahead than the rest of the world in quantum computer

My understanding is that in general, 72 qubits computer is 2x faster than 71 qubits and 1 million times (2^20) faster than 52 qubits
 

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They are looking to push out 72 qubits quantum computer for commercial usage by the end of 2022.
Probably in molecular design and simulation for Chemistry. They've recently published on this area - News on China's scientific and technological development.

Last year, CAS developed China's first 62 qubits quantum computer prototype.
There are few other and atleast one more advanced system.
So, China is still a couple of years behind here.
Last year China had the lead.

These are still early days in the race. A truly practical Quantum Computer will need minimum 100k to 1 million physical qubits, scalable efficient logic qubits, error correction code, algorithms etc. Moreover, there are atleast 7 approaches so this is also a tech vs tech race.

This are the current estimates using existing physics and tech

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People currently making projections of quantum computers in five years are hopelessly optimistic. Even you have same tech, it'll much depend on error-correction code and algorithms. Here's two different quantum algorithms breakthrough from few days ago

Yu Dapeng's group at Shenzhen -
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and Yale group -
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Earlier in the year USTC, Tsinghua and ETH Zurich also made quantum algorithms breakthrough in other algorithmic approaches
 

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Probably in molecular design and simulation for Chemistry. They've recently published on this area - News on China's scientific and technological development.


There are few other and atleast one more advanced system.

Last year China had the lead.

These are still early days in the race. A truly practical Quantum Computer will need minimum 100k to 1 million physical qubits, scalable efficient logic qubits, error correction code, algorithms etc. Moreover, there are atleast 7 approaches so this is also a tech vs tech race.

This are the current estimates using existing physics and tech

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People currently making projections of quantum computers in five years are hopelessly optimistic. Even you have same tech, it'll much depend on error-correction code and algorithms. Here's two different quantum algorithms breakthrough from few days ago

Yu Dapeng's group at Shenzhen -
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and Yale group -
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Earlier in the year USTC, Tsinghua and ETH Zurich also made quantum algorithms breakthrough in other algorithmic approaches
I don't understand enough about Quantum computers so I will have to defer to you here. Do you know what is the practical use for having something commercially with 72 qubits that can be used in a cloud? Let's say I make 10 72 qubits computers available for calculation on my cloud, how much work can it actually do?
 
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