New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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Difference between BYD and Tesla. Tesla is all talk about what it could do 8 years from now. BYD doesn't talk and just look to dominate. Look at this tweet and see what Tesla projections are. Does anyone think Tesla can get things up to that level? BYD added almost 30k sales this month while Tesla's German plant is still build just a few thousands a month at its Berlin plant. This is not to denigrate Tesla, because all the other EV companies are having trouble ramping things up. At least, Tesla is ramping up its Shanghai plant quickly. Nobody else compares to BYD in building stuff.


The podcast I listen to china ev said something really interesting. They think XPeng might be in trouble. It's having trouble raising prices. It's not able to build large backlog. There is not much differentiating it from other EV makers. And BYD is increasingly going to eat in its market share.

For a while now, Chinese EV companies have only been eating into legacy automaker market share. As this segment continue to grow, they are going to start cannabilizing each other. BYD is now the national brand. Huawei and Baidu are going to be huge in providing their EV/AV platform to other automakers. Over the next year, some of the cool early brands might loose out. NIO is never going to be succeed in mass brand when BYD has already captured the market. It doesn't have the resource for it. Over time, BYD, Huawei and Baidu are just going to eat into many of these brands. GAC is doing well and I think they will continue to do well. Li Auto has done great on the 2 models it launched.

BYD/ADL sells another 8 of their buses in UK
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BYD's Indian partner Olectra continues to do well now introducing heavy duty electric truck
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More plant upgrade news for BYD.

淮安比亚迪新能源商用车及零部件项目云签约仪式举行, Huai'an BYD in Jiangsu is opening a nw commercial truck and parts project.

As discussed previously, Hangzhou Silan IC is making chips for BYD. It apparently also sells chips to Leap Motor.
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The growth of BYD is aiding China's entire auto chip industry. They buy domestic for the most part.

Their IGBT chips are down 50 to 60 nm in thickness. For comparison, Infineon is able to produce IGBT with 40 nm sickness. So, their chip technology is still a little behind leading players, but they are getting there.
 
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Difference between BYD and Tesla. Tesla is all talk about what it could do 8 years from now. BYD doesn't talk and just look to dominate. Look at this tweet and see what Tesla projections are. Does anyone think Tesla can get things up to that level? BYD added almost 30k sales this month while Tesla's German plant is still build just a few thousands a month at its Berlin plant. This is not to denigrate Tesla, because all the other EV companies are having trouble ramping things up. At least, Tesla is ramping up its Shanghai plant quickly. Nobody else compares to BYD in building stuff.


The podcast I listen to china ev said something really interesting. They think XPeng might be in trouble. It's having trouble raising prices. It's not able to build large backlog. There is not much differentiating it from other EV makers. And BYD is increasingly going to eat in its market share.

For a while now, Chinese EV companies have only been eating into legacy automaker market share. As this segment continue to grow, they are going to start cannabilizing each other. BYD is now the national brand. Huawei and Baidu are going to be huge in providing their EV/AV platform to other automakers. Over the next year, some of the cool early brands might loose out. NIO is never going to be succeed in mass brand when BYD has already captured the market. It doesn't have the resource for it. Over time, BYD, Huawei and Baidu are just going to eat into many of these brands. GAC is doing well and I think they will continue to do well. Li Auto has done great on the 2 models it launched.

BYD/ADL sells another 8 of their buses in UK
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BYD's Indian partner Olectra continues to do well now introducing heavy duty electric truck
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More plant upgrade news for BYD.

淮安比亚迪新能源商用车及零部件项目云签约仪式举行, Huai'an BYD in Jiangsu is opening a nw commercial truck and parts project.

As discussed previously, Hangzhou Silan IC is making chips for BYD. It apparently also sells chips to Leap Motor.
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The growth of BYD is aiding China's entire auto chip industry. They buy domestic for the most part.

Their IGBT chips are down 50 to 60 nm in thickness. For comparison, Infineon is able to produce IGBT with 40 nm sickness. So, their chip technology is still a little behind leading players, but they are getting there.

Nio and xpeng will probably need to take market shares away from the German and Japanese makers in overseas markets.
For example, Nio takes over sales from BMW and xpeng takes over sales from Honda.
 

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Difference between BYD and Tesla. Tesla is all talk about what it could do 8 years from now. BYD doesn't talk and just look to dominate. Look at this tweet and see what Tesla projections are. Does anyone think Tesla can get things up to that level? BYD added almost 30k sales this month while Tesla's German plant is still build just a few thousands a month at its Berlin plant. This is not to denigrate Tesla, because all the other EV companies are having trouble ramping things up. At least, Tesla is ramping up its Shanghai plant quickly. Nobody else compares to BYD in building stuff.


The podcast I listen to china ev said something really interesting. They think XPeng might be in trouble. It's having trouble raising prices. It's not able to build large backlog. There is not much differentiating it from other EV makers. And BYD is increasingly going to eat in its market share.

For a while now, Chinese EV companies have only been eating into legacy automaker market share. As this segment continue to grow, they are going to start cannabilizing each other. BYD is now the national brand. Huawei and Baidu are going to be huge in providing their EV/AV platform to other automakers. Over the next year, some of the cool early brands might loose out. NIO is never going to be succeed in mass brand when BYD has already captured the market. It doesn't have the resource for it. Over time, BYD, Huawei and Baidu are just going to eat into many of these brands. GAC is doing well and I think they will continue to do well. Li Auto has done great on the 2 models it launched.

BYD/ADL sells another 8 of their buses in UK
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BYD's Indian partner Olectra continues to do well now introducing heavy duty electric truck
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More plant upgrade news for BYD.

淮安比亚迪新能源商用车及零部件项目云签约仪式举行, Huai'an BYD in Jiangsu is opening a nw commercial truck and parts project.

As discussed previously, Hangzhou Silan IC is making chips for BYD. It apparently also sells chips to Leap Motor.
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The growth of BYD is aiding China's entire auto chip industry. They buy domestic for the most part.

Their IGBT chips are down 50 to 60 nm in thickness. For comparison, Infineon is able to produce IGBT with 40 nm sickness. So, their chip technology is still a little behind leading players, but they are getting there.
@tphuang Tesla Shanghai will be okay BUT Tesla Texas? well they have to ask Pelosi for compensation.

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23 hours ago — A global power battery leader from China, CATL, has postponed the US Battery Plant Plan; a rumored reason is the influence of ongoing ...
 

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Their IGBT chips are down 50 to 60 nm in thickness. For comparison, Infineon is able to produce IGBT with 40 nm sickness. So, their chip technology is still a little behind leading players, but they are getting there.

Perhaps 50-60nm can better handle the latest battery pack voltages?

400V was the previous standard but now 800V is being introduced
 

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The CATL deal will go through. They will have 1 factory in Mexico and 1 in USA. This just delays announcement until October.

Anyhow, SAIC-GM-Wuling venture had a huge month of 59k in NEV sales.
the min-ev just keeps selling

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so 4000 pre-order for Atto 3 already. They are going to produce 3000 a month for Australia and have currently 5000 in production or in transit through the 3 cargo ships. This will make them instantaneously the 2nd largest EV maker in Australia.

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Germany article about how BYD could shake up German market like Tesla has.
 

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More abut byd in Australia

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They are looking to sell 9000 a month in Australia by sometimes next year. That would be crazy high. Make them the second largest automaker in Australia overall. Quite ambitious. But at least it looks like they have the production capacity to get there.
 

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@tphuang Tesla Shanghai will be okay BUT Tesla Texas? well they have to ask Pelosi for compensation.

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23 hours ago — A global power battery leader from China, CATL, has postponed the US Battery Plant Plan; a rumored reason is the influence of ongoing ...

Pelosi's husband should sell all of his stocks and compensate Musk for his losses.
 

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Some imagines of the Geely/Zeekr 009 MPV, China's 3rd electric MPV after Voyah Dreamer and Denza D9, are released.
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