Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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Bellum_Romanum

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The non-interference policy is not set by Deng. Mao and Zhou created the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.

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I don't think China will change the stance on this any time soon.
What are you talking about? LKY had to speak with Deng and sort of begged him to stop supporting communist movement in Asia if it wants to have economic assistance from Singapore and other Asian countries willing to invest in China during Deng's open reform.

China should still publicly espouse noninterference but send in clandestine operatives to do the opposite. You can't win with morality and all Chinese goodness when your enemies make shit up for you anyway. Might as well do what they're accused of doing, but this time it's for real.
 

Minm

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China fought the Korean War directly shooting at US and South Koreans, pushed them back, sacked Seoul... What now?

China fought India, even took territory from them, both in 1962 and even in 2020. There were photos and videos of Indian POWs being humiliated and blindfolded. What now? You know how the Jai Hinds operate.

PR and perception of resolve is very important.
Of course reputation is also useful. But China's current reputation can also be exploited. The US thought China was weak and a paper tiger so they maneuvered themselves into this situation where China can practice a naval blockade inside Taiwan territorial waters. So far, this Taiwan strait crisis is going a lot better for China than the third Taiwan strait crisis.

How do you propose China builds that reputation that's going to make Taiwan so afraid that it will capitulate? Defeat the US in a war? They might as well conquer Taiwan then
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Quite frankly, the defensive stance of the Chinese press is a losing game. There's plenty of things that China does that's offensive to foreign sensibilities. China would benefit more from an aggressive and strategic stance like that of Russia.

Start fights, stir sh*t. There needs to be more professional Chinese press, of course, to communicate official state lines and policies, but China also needs sh*tslingers. They need people who can go find American-aligned journalists and mock and discredit them. The western public are quite contemptuous of their elite, their government, and their press, and so China only benefits from a more aggressive stance. Antagonize and insult American and American-aligned politicians. Dig up dirt on them to spin controversy after controversy.

Hammer on the differences to divide the western block. Talk to western Europe all about how Americans are force-birthers, creationists, warmongers, and climate change deniers. Talk to America about how Europeans are useless nanny-statists who freeload off NATO and who are letting 'western culture' get destroyed by immigrants. Pound on every single divisive, contentious, inflammatory point until everyone is covered in mud and hate each other.

Find and discredit the likes of Adrian Zenz. Make sure to look up every single even slightly questionable thing any pivotal journalist/activist/politician has ever said and done and then use that to light fire after fire. Poke at every point of contentiousness until any alliance America tries to built is aflame. It isn't hard to do, especially if the Chinese state were to get serious about funding people already competent at this kind of work.
But you see, China is all about non-interference
 

canniBUS

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Another example of how post-Deng China is even worse than the Mao era in terms of propaganda:

1. Mao era propaganda got top tier Chinese American scientists like Deng Jiaxian (Purdue) and Qian Xueshen (JPL) to go back to China.

2. Deng era propaganda got top tier Chinese scientists to run to the US to become Chinese Americans and stay there even after legal persecution, like Hu Anming, Chen Gang and Xi Xiaoxing.

How much is an investment in propaganda worth if a single groundbreaking scientist either doesn't leave or comes back?

You can't really compare Mao's era to now. Back then China offered a fundamentally different vision of the future of humanity, ie. communism, and this vision, combined with dedicated investment into improving the lives of ordinary Chinese people was attractive to many overseas Chinese (though not all). Today, what China offers is not fundamentally different from the west so it will attract a different set of people and for different reasons. The best propaganda, however, is to have an economic system and living standards superior to your adversaries. I think market-based profit-driven investment has exhausted its ability to improve China's economy (and definitely western economies too), at least in certain industries like real-estate. It's time to innovate new ways of organizing the economy so China can continue to improve at a rapid pace and deliver material benefits to its people.
 

TheFoozyOne

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I woke up this morning and found there has been about 100 pages added to this thread. There's no way I can go through all of them. I know that old woman has landed in Taiwan and China has not done anything. A little disappointed. What's next?
Just some exercises in response, as usual. However, they are quite extensive this time, and includes a bit of Taiwan’s territorial water.
 

baykalov

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You guys had me almost convinced that armed reunification was imminent.

Now that emotions have calmed somewhat, I think most people realize that peace is always preferable to war. The difference between China and Russia or the Taliban is that China can afford to have peace.

I think a lot of people were expecting Xi to emulate Putin, and are disappointed when that didn't happen. After so many US provocations lately, I can't really blame them. Unfortunately, I think we're gonna have to come to terms with the fact that the Chinese leadership is sticking to their slow-and-steady strategy, and they're not going to deviate from that whatever the provocations.

Putin no longer had a choice, the war in Ukraine was inevitable. No matter how much the Western mainstream media repeats that Putin has started unprovoked aggression and war, these are lies.

Many people, for whom the events of February 24 were a surprise, for some reason forget April 2021, when Ukraine had already formed military forces to strike at Donbas in violation of the Minsk agreements. In response, Russian troops were deployed along the border. For some reason the war didn't start in April 2021. At that time the US was in the epicenter with covid-19 and probably postponed the proxy war in Ukraine until next year. History repeated itself in late 2021. Zelensky concentrated an even larger army on the Donbas front - 120,000 - 150,000. Russia's armed forces also had to transfer more serious forces to the border in an attempt to deter Zelensky from attacking the two republics in Donbass.

Putin's negotiations and ultimatums with the "president of the world" Zelensky and his Western curators did not yield results, they needed a conflict. A clear example of this is the statements of the West, even before Russia invaded Ukraine, that sanctions would be imposed on Russia if Putin did not withdraw Russian troops from the Russian border.

Zelensky was determined to invade Donbas and eliminate the pro-Russian "Colorado beetles" once and for all, in clear violation of the Minsk agreements.

If Russian troops were withdrawn in the winter of 2021/2022, there would be an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the two republics, following the example of Operation Storm, conducted by the Croatia and NATO against Srpska Krajina in 1995. If Russia does not had intervened, then the Donbas republics would not have had a chance to oppose it. And then there would inevitably be a similar scenario for Crimea.

The head of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Pushilin already on February 16 began the evacuation of children, civilians and the elderly to Russia, because the two Donbas republics expect the Ukrainian Armed Forces to attack them.

The former president of Ukraine, Poroshenko recently admitted that neither he nor Zelensky had any intention of implementing the Minsk agreements, but only signed them to buy time to arm and train an army to "take back" Crimea and Donbas . Well, yes - but in Crimea 95% of the population is Russian and they do not want to return to Ukraine. In the republics of Donbass, the majority are Russians and were subjected to 8 years of terror because they do not want to Ukrainianize themselves and glorify the Nazi Stepan Bandera as a national hero.

And what are the Minsk agreements - for Ukraine to stop terrorizing the Russian population in Donbas and let them live with Russian cultural differences. The "separatists" just wanted to live peacefully, without banning their Russian language, culture and ethnic identity. But no - Poroshenko's regime and then Zelensky's for 8 years terrorized and massacred the population in Donbas with the help of Nazi battalions, and finally decided to attack the two republics and Ukrainianize them by force.

And all this is confirmed by Macron's phone conversation with Putin, on February 20, or 4 days before Russia invaded Ukraine. This conversation was reported two months ago by the national French media, in which Macron tells Putin that he called Zelensky, and I quote "to calm down the armed forces" and "Donbass has been under intense bombardment by the Ukrainian Air Force in recent days." Macron also tells Putin not to give in to Zelensky's provocations and asks Putin to withdraw Russian troops from the border. That is, Putin should allow Zelensky to invade the republics and terrorize the Russian Donbass.

Two days after that phone conversation with Macron, on February 22, Putin declared the Minsk agreements "dead" through the fault of Zelensky and Ukraine. On the same date, February 22, Putin also signed two decrees recognizing the two republics of the DPR and the LPR. On February 24, Russian troops invaded Ukraine to protect the two republics.

In the conversation with Macron, Putin also emphasized that only a few days ago, Zelensky announced to the world community the desire of Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons, as well as the reluctance and firm refusal of NATO to discuss with Russia the architecture of the common European security.

Therefore, those who pick up on the propaganda thesis that Russia launched the special military operation for no reason either do not understand the background of the events and are disoriented, or they are simply deliberately lying. Starting the war was an inevitable step that the US and its puppet Zelensky deliberately provoked Russia to take.
 

SanWenYu

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It's f...ng idiotic. I have no idea why the f is the party hell bent on sticking with shit that has been shown with data not to work.

I build a house, jealous neighbour burns it down and say eh..it's okay, I'll build another one. Are we sure the CPC ain't following Jesus Christ's admonition of turning the other cheek?

In the Gospel of Matthew chapter 5, an alternative for "an eye for an eye" is given by Jesus: You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
You need calm down a bit.

To fight a PR war you need to export ideaology and a model of development. When did China start having a good story to tell the rest of world, the third world countries in particular?
 

dasCKD

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But you see, China is all about non-interference
It's like trying to be a pacifist in a world full of tyrants. Whatever China does, the US press will be doing what it can to discredit and insult China. Question is, will China sit back and take it and repeat this Pelosi visit and Hong Kong and Xinjiang and any other insult for as long as China threatens US hegemony, or will it start hitting back?
 

Overbom

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I thought that emotions would have calmed down after the first hours of Pelosi landing in Taiwan. Seems I was wrong.
For the nth time, just give it another couple of days until you start blaming Xi.

From my end, what is clear is that Hu should have his social media accounts removed from him. There are fools and then there is Hu. The Chinese government shouldn't have to get into all this trouble because Hu fantasises about all sorts of things every day.
 
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