Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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SanWenYu

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China's noninterference policy since Deng is the real killer of PR competence. No interference = no need for PR. China can barely even influence North Korea, Laos, or the Communist Party of Japan.
The non-interference policy is not set by Deng. Mao and Zhou created the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.

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I don't think China will change the stance on this any time soon.
 

Kich

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Interesting to see how countries in the region are viewing this.

I think silently, majority are viewing the US as provocateurs, maybe even in Taiwan if China uses this as a chance to normalize patrols around Taiwan, close to 12km and even make the median non-existent.

Pelosi has giving Xi a chance to raise pressure on Tsai and her govt. for allowing this. This is a chance to increase PLA presence in the strait.
 

Biscuits

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I feel no shame, but more anger if am being honest because the bullies will use this latest shit show as proof of Chinese inferiority or how the PLA is just a force for display which is demoralizing to say the least.

At least buzzed by Pelosi's plane or something you know that could have showed China is not a country to be messed around with. Instead, the pussyfooting remind me of the Chinese stereotypes in the west were most act meek, weak which gives their bullies more confidence to be more daring and insulting with their racist taunts. Something that I hate and detested personally because I have seen it in with my own eyes that I had to intervene. I saw how Chinese in general just take a licking and avoids confrontation. I thought Xi was different but man, don't know how long can he take this much insult and yet wants to remain the President of the country.
How about you just wait and see 1-2 days when China is actually responding?

Buzzing the US plane without intention to forcibly turn it around is pointless.

People like you act like its the end of the world and the enemy is already at the gates with soldiers, nope, Taiwan is still free, its a little more influenced by US now or has a chance to become so, but its very very far from US winning control over it.

China has already confirmed, firstly they will respond with an incursion for an incursion. Incursion of an unarmed state department plane vs incursion of navy ships and Air force planes shooting live ammo within what ROC considers its own borders. Once that kicks off, its gonna be pretty hard to spin that as an advantage for US no?

And then there will be more penalties. At the very lowest hanging fruit, Wang Yi can go to the Donbass in a 1 for 1 move towards NATO's sensitive separatist territories.

Xi, nor anyone in the government, has promised to kill Pelosi. The promised consequences is that the status quo will shift in China's favor, and you will see this happen when Beijing's ships sailing unimpeded next to ports on Taiwan becomes the status quo. Promises made, promises kept.

This is not an all out US invasion, the response demanded by China is heavy but not on par with an actual invasion. Pelosi isn't there to stay. American nationalists, and the defeatist idiots who bought into their state media, are counting chickens before they hatch. When they take control of Taiwan and nothing happens, then they can gloat. Evoking a delayed tit for tat response that might end up devouring 30 years of distance between the mainland and the island, that is no cause for celebration. There's a reason quite a bit US media is far more sober about the upcoming situation than their online shills which generally have zero relevant content and only say whatever drives the US population into a frenzy of supporting "current agenda".
 

SanWenYu

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Why is he even seeking a 3rd term if the best he can do is keep saying how high master? The lack of preparedness for the upcoming visit of Pelosi was even more difficult to accept and understand when he could have mobilized all the necessary military elements to bring home the message that Taiwan isn't something to be trifled with over and over again. I mean Xi even thought of sending a message of speedy recovery to Biden who's done nothing but shit on Xi every chance he gets. Xi did the same shit with Trump. He welcomed the orange man into the Forbidden City thinking it would help suade Trump to no avail.

Why can't they talk in direct freaking language when discussing or talking to other world leaders, why use axioms and other non sense when the outside world don't give a rats ass what we say? Xi got told by Biden not to get involve with Russia in terms of military support Xi obliged. What did Xi get in return, more sanctions, more provocations...like for real dude? When are you going to start pushing back? Instead let's do another round of Zero-COVID lockdown that has frankly beginning to look like it's run its course.

I just hope with all the corruption drive he spearheaded which was necessary didn't include the purging of warrior leaders that were waiting in the wing for China. Xi maybe a visionary leader but man, he just seems to avoid or shy away from armed confrontations. Xi has lost the valuable lesson from Mao Zedong that power, all power comes from the barrel of a gun not $¥...what use is your wealth when it can be easily stolen, confiscated by your enemies. Stop making speeches of breaking skulls when you're not even prepared to break an 82 year old geezers plane.
You guys are drawing the conclusion too soon too early. The show isn't over yet. And what if Xi was dissuaded by his lieutenants?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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its not just liberal democracies. Soviet propaganda was so effective they were able to infiltrate highest levels of governments, and could call on western and Japanese parties (i.e. Communist Party of Greece, German Red Army Faction, Japanese Red Army). Russia, though technically a multiparty capitalist federal democracy but not regarded as one in the west, can call on the alt right. Iran can call on Shia. Even North Korea could call on Zainichi Koreans.

China's noninterference policy since Deng is the real killer of PR competence. No interference = no need for PR. China can barely even influence North Korea, Laos, or the Communist Party of Japan.
It's f...ng idiotic. I have no idea why the f is the party hell bent on sticking with shit that has been shown with data not to work.

I build a house, jealous neighbour burns it down and say eh..it's okay, I'll build another one. Are we sure the CPC ain't following Jesus Christ's admonition of turning the other cheek?

In the Gospel of Matthew chapter 5, an alternative for "an eye for an eye" is given by Jesus: You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
 

dasCKD

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This is exactly it. Private Chinese internet media outlets like Guancha produces far more attractive and persuasive content. Honestly at this point it's time to purge the state media and just let vetted private companies to handle PR. The government just need to set general direction and bankroll them. I mean, look at South Korea and how relatively successful they are.
Quite frankly, the defensive stance of the Chinese press is a losing game. There's plenty of things that China does that's offensive to foreign sensibilities. China would benefit more from an aggressive and strategic stance like that of Russia.

Start fights, stir sh*t. There needs to be more professional Chinese press, of course, to communicate official state lines and policies, but China also needs sh*tslingers. They need people who can go find American-aligned journalists and mock and discredit them. The western public are quite contemptuous of their elite, their government, and their press, and so China only benefits from a more aggressive stance. Antagonize and insult American and American-aligned politicians. Dig up dirt on them to spin controversy after controversy.

Hammer on the differences to divide the western block. Talk to western Europe all about how Americans are force-birthers, creationists, warmongers, and climate change deniers. Talk to America about how Europeans are useless nanny-statists who freeload off NATO and who are letting 'western culture' get destroyed by immigrants. Pound on every single divisive, contentious, inflammatory point until everyone is covered in mud and hate each other.

Find and discredit the likes of Adrian Zenz. Make sure to look up every single even slightly questionable thing any pivotal journalist/activist/politician has ever said and done and then use that to light fire after fire. Poke at every point of contentiousness until any alliance America tries to built is aflame. It isn't hard to do, especially if the Chinese state were to get serious about funding people already competent at this kind of work.
 

JewPizza

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This depends on too many factors. Ideally you want to reduce the chance of outside intervention by going fast, but want to reduce casualty when landing by having as much enemy assets demolished as possible. If you attack too fast and try too many things at once it results in coordination problems, should planes be used to support ground forces or strike enemy airfields or intercept enemy planes? are the planes coming towards us the enemy or returning friendlies? this are all factors to be considered.

This is why i suggests taking one of the islands, preferably a strategically valuable one like Penghu or perhaps Taiping rather then Mazu or Jinmen, shortens the strategic distance.
Hypothetically, let's say Xi takes back Penghu and Taiping islands and spends about 1 year to build a military base there. Then, 1 month later, he declares armed reunification on Taiwan. How long would it take the PLA to gain sufficient naval and air supremacy in order to carry out an amphibious assault?
 

FriedButter

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I think everyone here is far too sensitive about petty appearances here. Hu Xijin’s theatrics were not policy. And Xi’s threats about playing with fire were not about theatric displays.

His threats doesn’t matter if the public lacks confidences that he will fulfil on his threats. If future high level visits results in only milk toast responses then it will eventually lead to the domestic public questioning his resolve to an armed reunification if Taiwan declares independences. Here is the problem. You are assuming Xi will do something but what if it turns out is he really is just a paper dragon and his actually just Boris Yeltsin 2.0.
 

Biscuits

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I woke up this morning and found there has been about 100 pages added to this thread. There's no way I can go through all of them. I know that old woman has landed in Taiwan and China has not done anything. A little disappointed. What's next?
China is sending ships and planes close (within 12nm of Taiwan) as part of a large "exercise" starting from 3rd until 7th.
 
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