Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

[dasCKD]

There are some interesting suggestions here, but the idea of sending students to the heart of the West's ideology mills is a non-starter. Still, overall there's some potential.

The insistence on ideological purity over actual incompetence WILL cripple the Chinese propaganda wing. This isn't something that can be quibbled over or navigated around. This is absolutely mandatory. It is clear to me that the current Chinese propaganda wing has no understanding of how to navigate around the space of western discourse. If China is to ever have an effective propaganda wing, this is a weakness that can't be allowed.

When American and European companies come over to China, do they demand that the Chinese bend their culture and laws to suit their way of doing things? Of course not. They hire on consultants familiar with the Chinese way of doing things so they can build themselves up as effective institutions. If China wants to be able to communicate with the outside world, they need staffers that can speak the language of the western political discourse.

I've come to the conclusion that the CCP's bad PR is really a genetic flaw. It has to do with the CCP's origins as a revolutionary movement and the obsession with secrecy embedded in any revolutionary movement's DNA. After all, any revolutionary movement that was too loose with information wasn't long for this world, the ancien regime's security apparatus was soon at their throats. This quite admirable trait has remained preserved with the CCP all these decades later.

Unfortunately, it also means that the CCP doesn't and can't ever have a comfortable relationship with the press as a liberal democracy can. Yes, that includes a captive press - the press is completely captured by the state in democracies, too. The thought of government officials sitting down with reporters and playing source is anathema to the CCP's core being. Furthermore, the CCP is a very hierarchical and siloed institution - you know what you need to know and nothing more. Even if you chanced upon a chatty official, he wouldn't have much to tell you about any bigger picture, just what his specialty is.

All of this is precisely why it is so absolutely vital that China, if it wants to compete effectively in the propaganda-sphere, learns how to speak on the subject. They need people familiar with the western mindset. They need people who can take Chinese policies, philosophies, and actions and sell them to a western audience. Doing this successfully will weaken the resolve of especially European countries and make them much less likely to interfere with Chinese affairs. Continuing to fail in this space means allowing America, and to a lesser extent the UK and Australia, to command the narrative and rally nations against China.

This is a vulnerability that is as crippling to China as a lack of a working stealth fighter would be. Is ideological purity worth Chinese blood?

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Smaller countries see that China cannot or will not defend it's own interests so they'll play hardball in economic negotiations, sell basing rights to foreign regimes and trust a certain foreign currency.

True. But given the fact that China as of now hasn’t done anything to the US, assuming what I hypothesize goes through, those smaller countries would be more inclined to support the US and at the minimum not support China since China can’t even stop the less detrimental step of the US’s plan. China needs to act aggressively to the US to show that the US is undependable. This can be done via economic and political punishments if the military card is still in the works.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Jai Hinds are the biggest benefactors from this regardless of what happens.

1) China does nothing (unfortunately happened) -- paper dragon Chinkis, Jai Hind.
2) Pelosi's plane got intercepted and turned away -- even U.S. is afraid of paper dragon chinkis, but we are not, Jai Hind.
3) Pelosi's plane got shot down -- U.S. owned by paper dragon chinkis, they are paper eagles. True super powa is Jai Hind because Chinkis don't dare to pull this stunt with us even after Galwan.

You've definitely spent so much time at that crap awful site PDF where Jai Hinds abound, and pretend westerner larp as white people and even as veterans. That place is filth, and I have not learned anything of substance when visiting that site other than reading Jerry Springer like sewage debate from the Chinese members of that forum vs the deranged loonies a.k.a. Jai Hinds.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Yes...you been to the Philippines? You been to his home town? The man is very popular and for good reasons. He brought actual change and improvements of their lives that people there were longing for. And if it wasn't for Duterte you can kiss Marcos Jr. being President and having China a more stable relationship with the Philippines compared to then Aquino administration.

You attached so much on what the guy said rather than what he has done for the people there that gave him strong support.

Bro, calm down. I do not intend to offend anyone.

Of course I know what he has contributed to the Philippines. His methods of ending the drug problem in the Philippines should be emulated in my home country too, for example.

I took that particular line of his as merely a joke.

I do apologize if I have offended anyone unintentionally.

 

[Biscuits]

I have Said CN will not do anything but you think i was expecting immediately bombing Taiwan and Pelosi killing, lol

You're of course right, Mr Yankee. These are just routine, normal exercises aren't anything new. So you can accept them being done on a very common basis now, since they're just expressions of China not doing anything.

Truly, you just got a tremendous win. Time to go home in victory and celebrate now! Cya next week!

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Why do you think is the case though?

I’m not too sure what you mean. Are you taking about my hypothesis’s probability or why do I think the Chinese attacking a hypothetical Taiwan, that is a UN observer or even a full member, will be detrimental?

 

[Abominable]

Analysing things a little more soberly, what happens in the initial hours doesn't mean much. It took a month after Archiduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated for WW1 to kick off, and things were calm in Europe in the days after he died. Things happen quicker in this day and age but not that quickly. In the days immediately after 9/11 there were lots of rumours that America attacked Afghanistan but it against took a month before it actually happened.

A case could be made that it's better to let Pelosi leave Taiwan before things kick off, although I would personally oppose this, she needs to be dead centre in the mess she created. If she's out of the picture all the US aircraft and naval vessels that are floating around Taiwan right now have no reason to stick around.

Until the war games and military exercises are over my expectation is for Xi to make the correct decision in this situation. When and how is a tactical matter that we are not privy to.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Get lost with Tidalwave. I'm a totally different person. Look at my English. It's very rudimentary.

I too somewhat share your sentiment but what you're asking for is a bit too emotional and frankly short sighted. Xi was the one who came up or at least push for AIIB, serious PLA modernization, BRI expansion, Made in China 2025 push and just because we're disappointed that Pelosi didn't get to join Shinzo Abe or the least buzzed her plane, it does not mean that Xi is a kitty.

What would you have preferred for Xi and the PLA leadership to have done that would have been acceptable in your view?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

The insistence on ideological purity over actual incompetence WILL cripple the Chinese propaganda wing.

We're trying to save the village, remember? Killing the village in order to save it isn't going to fly. The point is to strengthen and propagate China's ideology - anything that weakens that goal is unacceptable. If any Westerner is interested in providing expertise toward China's propaganda, he must work within these constraints.

When American and European companies come over to China, do they demand that the Chinese bend their culture and laws to suit their way of doing things? Of course not.

Exactly right. So why should Western propagandists selling their expertise be different from Western businessmen opening factories? Both must adapt to Chinese culture and laws and way of doing things.

All of this is precisely why it is so absolutely vital that China, if it wants to compete effectively in the propaganda-sphere, learns how to speak on the subject. They need people familiar with the western mindset. They need people who can take Chinese policies, philosophies, and actions and sell them to a western audience.

I agree that Western mercenaries who can provide these services would be useful. However, they must do so within the established framework or they're just wasting China's time and theirs.

 

[escobar]

True. But given the fact that China as of now hasn’t done anything to the US, assuming what I hypothesize goes through, those smaller countries would be more inclined to support the US and at the minimum not support China since China can’t even stop the less detrimental step of the US’s plan. China needs to act aggressively to the US to show that the US is undependable. This can be done via economic and political punishments if the military card is still in the works.

Imagine what The prime minister of Solomon Islands is thinking right now....