Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

[Lime]

Conversely, if you ask most Taiwanese today, very few wants to go back to Chiang style dictatorship.

All depend on the US. If the US need a dictatorship style of Taiwan, they will like it.

 

[9dashline]

Well at the very least, I am expecting the exercises to be carried out smoothly and then to be normalised. Anything more than would be a bonus.

The ability for China to call up exercises right in front or inside the Taiwanese waters, is good enough for me. If Taiwan thought the ADIZ incursions thing was a pain in the ass, then these normalised military exercises would be at an entirely different level

Not good enough though, need some actual overland flights, maybe up to and including buzzing the good folks on the streets of Tapei low level supersonic flyby Maverick style ... dare Veggy to shoot them down and if she takes the bait then drone strike her.... Got to get way more visceral

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

The effect of PR in all of these situations is MASSIVE. Look at the international reaction to this fiasco! Resentment from the Chinese public and mockery from the international. If the Chinese strategy is for the Pentagon to do the diplomacy and propaganda for them, then they've ALREADY lost! If war started today, then the western press will band together and call China monsters and basically the entirety of the western world, India, South Korea, and Japan will be listening to them and agreeing. Do you know why? Because China refused to fight in the propaganda space and allowed it to get to this point!

PR isn't a weapon you can just pull out from a box and hope that it works. PR is reputation, built over decades of consistent competency and effort. No sh*t the effect of PR in these situations is slight. China never bothered building up its reputational credibility! It'll be too late to fasten your seatbelt if you're in the middle of a car crash and it's far too late for China to build up enough of a reputation to stop Pelosi from getting a win once her plane's already in the air. Do you know how this might have been fixed? If China had began building up their reputation DECADES ago! If they had an effective propaganda wing! Do you know how they stop this from happening again? By properly staffing and funding their PR wing NOW!

Fire everyone in the propaganda wing. Hire in completely new staff and set them to the task of signaling. Make it clear, and reiterate, that the opinings of some tabloid hack from Global Times isn't the opinions and the policies of the Chinese government. Get rid of the Global Times whilst you're at it, or restructure it from ground up. Global Times is boring shlock with no serious viewership and allowing it to exist in its current state is a liability to the Chinese state and reputation.

Establish a channel upon which the Chinese government communicates with the western press and the outside world and make sure to keep staff on-hand to make sure that they can deliver the official party line and stomp out rumors the moment unfavorable rumors start cropping up. The moment what's-his-name talked about how Pelosi's plane would be shot down, have someone on-staff call him an idiot and communicate the official Chinese state line.

Hire on western-trained journalists who are either sympathetic to the Chinese cause or who are willing to tow the line for the luxury pay. Material support for the secessionists will flow in from mostly western countries and so acquiring the ability to 'speak the language' of the western world is paramount. Use these journalists to spread news of Chinese achievements, explain misconceptions, and downplay Chinese missteps and failure. Encourage Chinese students to pursue journalism in western institutes in the same way that they're encouraged to pursue engineering. As an example, the Goldthread youtube channel is a far better ambassador for the Chinese than Global Times has EVER been.

Show favoritism to certain western outlets, lure them in with promises of being able to be the first to question China on the policies and news, and use that position to build a mutally beneficial relationship with outlets that will give those outlets a business advantage of being the 'experts on China'. Hire on influencers for the same reason and have them tow the party line.

That is the MINIMUM China should be doing. This is all very basic policy in any party-based democracy, and so American politicians and therefore the American state apparatuses are incredibly proficient with this. China doesn't have this type of democracy, and so they'll need to learn.

If China wants more advice, they'll need to pay me hourly rates. I take my payments in euros, steam codes, and body pillows depicting the shipgirl Shinano from Azur Lane.

There are some interesting suggestions here, but the idea of sending students to the heart of the West's ideology mills is a non-starter. Still, overall there's some potential.

I've come to the conclusion that the CCP's bad PR is really a genetic flaw. It has to do with the CCP's origins as a revolutionary movement and the obsession with secrecy embedded in any revolutionary movement's DNA. After all, any revolutionary movement that was too loose with information wasn't long for this world, the ancien regime's security apparatus was soon at their throats. This quite admirable trait has remained preserved with the CCP all these decades later.

Unfortunately, it also means that the CCP doesn't and can't ever have a comfortable relationship with the press as a liberal democracy can. Yes, that includes a captive press - the press is completely captured by the state in democracies, too. The thought of government officials sitting down with reporters and playing source is anathema to the CCP's core being. Furthermore, the CCP is a very hierarchical and siloed institution - you know what you need to know and nothing more. Even if you chanced upon a chatty official, he wouldn't have much to tell you about any bigger picture, just what his specialty is.

 

[Biscuits]

and this is also caused by CN own useless bravado from PLA and the PR unit

Could you stop the retarded 1 liners?

What more do you want than the PLA going a few miles from the Taiwan coast with live firing vessels?

Going by your logic, anything but killing Pelosi and then immediately bombing Taiwan to the ground is "useless bravado", then surely US Military is the one with the greatest useless bravado, why did they chicken out before entering 12nm of Taiwan? All empty bravado? No strikes on PLA to protect Taiwan?

Funny how you American nationalists always expose yourselves by setting the standards to rock bottom for America and sky high for your adversaries. Like how 1 million deaths is a success but a 2 week lockdown of shanghai is a failure. Or maybe you're no American nationalist, just a jai hind coopting their way of speech.

Shill harder. You're found out.

 

[Lime]

Actually Taiwan is more like a colony of the US. Their economy, military, diplomacy all depend on US.

When they want to turn this to others like mainland, the US will prohibit this process.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

So it's pretty much not set to happen.

Well, Pelosi’s visit did happen. So anything can happen. Countries support China because they thought China not only has the money but also the strength and will. This event will hurt that image.

So basically there's no problem. China's willing to wait for a better deal on Taiwan, but will take whatever deal's on the table if we have to. Political consequences are garbage. Every nation knows the special meaning Taiwan holds for China; nobody will care if they were UN observer or WHO observer or anything. These nations all follow the One China Policy and they know this is where China will never compromise. If they don't, they're too stupid to be important anyway. The ones who pretend to care about law are the ones that would have sided with the US/West anyway, just looking for any reason.

At that point, they would. In this hypothetical scenario, the US essentially split China, which is something that wasn’t seen since the establishment of the PRC. It shows that China has no power whatsoever over the US and is a paper tiger despite its rhetoric about playing with fire and broken skulls with flowing blood (yes the latter was said by Xi Jinping during the 100th anniversary of the CPC). Plus an attack on Taiwan, a hypothetical UN member, most likely would have signed many treaties at that point, would trigger off an international crisis that is akin to that of Ukraine. Given the fact that China cares a lot about world peace and defense of sovereignty but lacks the clout to control the English speaking media, China will be dealt a huge political blow.

If China take the ROC and then doesn't even suffer significant economic damage, that shows the world where power lies and everyone follows power.

Agreed on this one, but given the fact that we haven’t seen China even launch political or economic punishments to the US despite knowing that the West depends on China for sustenance, I highly doubt that the Chinese would use their military of all things to execute such an operation.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

This level of craziness?

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Yes...you been to the Philippines? You been to his home town? The man is very popular and for good reasons. He brought actual change and improvements of their lives that people there were longing for. And if it wasn't for Duterte you can kiss Marcos Jr. being President and having China a more stable relationship with the Philippines compared to then Aquino administration.

You attached so much on what the guy said rather than what he has done for the people there that gave him strong support.

 

[escobar]

Could you stop the retarded 1 liners?

What more do you want than the PLA going a few miles from the Taiwan coast with live firing vessels?

Going by your logic, anything but killing Pelosi and then immediately bombing Taiwan to the ground is "useless bravado", then surely US Military is the one with the greatest useless bravado, why did they chicken out before entering 12nm of Taiwan? All empty bravado? No strikes on PLA to protect Taiwan?

Funny how you American nationalists always expose yourselves by setting the standards to rock bottom for America and sky high for your adversaries. Like how 1 million deaths is a success but a 2 week lockdown of shanghai is a failure. Or maybe you're no American nationalist, just a jai hind coopting their way of speech.

Shill harder. You're found out.

I have Said CN will not do anything but you think i was expecting immediately bombing Taiwan and Pelosi killing, lol

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Well, Pelosi’s visit did happen. Ao anything can happen. Countries support China because they thought China not only has the money but also the strength and will. This event will hurt that image.

At that point, they would. In this hypothetical scenario, the US essentially split China, which is something that wasn’t seen since the establishment of the PRC. It shows that China has no power whatsoever over the US and is a paper tiger despite its rhetoric about playing with fire and broken skulls with flowing blood (yes the latter was used by Xi Jinping during the 100th anniversary of the CPC). Plus an attack on Taiwan, a hypothetical UN member that most likely would have signed many treaties at that point, would trigger off an international crisis that is akin to that of Ukraine. Given the fact that China cares a lot about world peace and defense of sovereignty but lacks the clout to control the English speaking media, China will be dealt a huge political blow.

Agreed on this one, but given the fact that we haven’t seen China even launch political or economic punishments to the US despite knowing that the West depends on China for sustenance, I highly doubt that the Chinese would use their military of all things to execute such an operation.

Why do you think is the case though?

 

[supersnoop]

They need to hire some Daily Mail or Fox News person to write headlines for Global Times

“Taiwan pins hopes on corrupt Speaker Pelosi, whose is hated by half of her home country, and married to a drunk…”