Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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Biscuits

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Two weeks ago the Dalai Lama visited Ladakh after many years. China threatened India with consequences over his visit but in the end the visit took place and China did not do anything.

As time passes by I'm getting more and more convinced that this Pelosi episode will end similarly.
Pretty sure China has nothing to do with Ladakh and what a civilian that has no political posts anymore like Tenzin Gyatso does. I don't remember seeing the government ever putting out statements about it.

Its not like China would bomb India on Indian territory because India is doing completely non offensive stuff on it. That would be a massive escalation, like US is doing now by threatening to send their lackeys into Chinese territory unprovoked.
How so? China claims Ladakh as its terrority (from Qing days) and repeatedly calls Dalai Lama "a separatist indulging in terrorism against China".
All of Ladakh isn't China's territory, its a large province that reaches as far as Kashmir, I've never heard anyone, even patriotic netizens, claim that China's real borders should reach Kashmir.

Just the parts of Ladakh settled in the war of 1962 are the de jure borders of China.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Two weeks ago the Dalai Lama visited Ladakh after many years. China threatened India with consequences over his visit but in the end the visit took place and China did not do anything.

As time passes by I'm getting more and more convinced that this Pelosi episode will end similarly.
Which could then be interpreted by powers around the world that China's warning however stern remains wedded to their need to bide their time a.k.a. TOOTHLESS.

And am certain that the powers that be in China must have interpreted those recent provocations as well that they can't be seen to continue issue hollow threats because that'll simply bring more endless provocative actions from the western side.

They are indeed goading China to take the bait, and as some astute people on this forum correctly advice that China ought to refrain from doing so since time is supposedly on her side.

But the CPC isn't governing unthinking, unemotional beings, they are presiding over 1.4 Billion people who's been imbued, told about China's century of humiliation and part of that humiliation was the separation of Taiwan from the mainland. A wrong that must be corrected with the CPC championing the cause from it's inception.
 

Overbom

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Just goes to show how stupid it is to have such low military spending. It should be minimum 3%.
Join the club. I have been complaining about the pathetic military spending for over 5 years already. The CPC upper echelon is half responsible for what's happening now.

If you don't respect yourself enough by having appropriate military spending for your ambitions (which are quite big), then don't expect others to respect you, simple as that.
 

Michaelsinodef

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I think the leadership weigthed the options, and that extra ~1% (Official budget is ~1.4%, but I think it was SIPRI estimate that puts 'hidden' amounts to be an extra 33%, so actual might be around ~1.85%) was better put in other places (growing the economy so they get more tax returns for more military spending or like research, which in turn can help the military as well).

At the end, it's a really tough question, since spending on non military stuff, might actually net better return for the military.
 

ashnole

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Pretty sure China has nothing to do with Ladakh and what a civilian that has no political posts anymore like Tenzin Gyatso does. I don't remember seeing the government ever putting out statements about it.

Its not like China would bomb India on Indian territory because India is doing completely non offensive stuff on it. That would be a massive escalation, like US is doing now by threatening to send their lackeys into Chinese territory unprovoked.

All of Ladakh isn't China's territory, its a large province that reaches as far as Kashmir, I've never heard anyone, even patriotic netizens, claim that China's real borders should reach Kashmir.

Just the parts of Ladakh settled in the war of 1962 are the de jure borders of China.
Well China clearly sees Dalai Lama a "major threat". Let's not forget that the Indian Special Operation Forces branch that is assigned to take on China's SOF along the Indo-China border is the Special Frontier Force (a joint creation of India and CIA) which is entirely composed of Tibetans living in India.

China does claim a substantial area of Ladakh, which is why Galwan happened.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Join the club. I have been complaining about the pathetic military spending for over 5 years already. The CPC upper echelon is half responsible for what's happening now.

If you don't respect yourself enough by having appropriate military spending for your ambitions (which are quite big), then don't expect others to respect you, simple as that.
I'll tell you what, voyager, this is one of those rare times where we're in agreement. On balance I believe that the CPC is what's right for China at this historical juncture despite their missteps (chief among them the 1.4% problem). Fortunately, China is strong enough and big enough now that it can afford mistakes like this.

It will change one way or another. There will be a generational shift in the Party's thinking and one of the consequences of that shift will be a vastly better-funded military and a more bellicose foreign policy. But for now, the developmental mindset of "just keep building" that the government has now will do.
 

Abominable

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Well China clearly sees Dalai Lama a "major threat". Let's not forget that the Indian Special Operation Forces branch that is assigned to take on China's SOF along the Indo-China border is the Special Frontier Force (a joint creation of India and CIA) which is entirely composed of Tibetans living in India.

China does claim a substantial area of Ladakh, which is why Galwan happened.
The Dalai Lama isn't a threat to anyone except to the members of his cannibalistic cult he's kidnapped and forced to live in India.

Stop derailing the thread, not everything is about India.
 

Biscuits

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Well China clearly sees Dalai Lama a "major threat". Let's not forget that the Indian Special Operation Forces branch that is assigned to take on China's SOF along the Indo-China border is the Special Frontier Force (a joint creation of India and CIA) which is entirely composed of Tibetans living in India.

China does claim a substantial area of Ladakh, which is why Galwan happened.
This is off topic and maybe should be moved to the India border standoff thread.

According to who does China see the Dalai Lama as a major threat? He's completely toothless and worst of all, most of Tibet hates him due to them not being part of the slave owning aristocracy class, to the point where Tenzin has never advocated for a Tibet under his rule, because he knows very few ppl want to be his subjects, instead advocating for China's government to let Tibet be run as Buddhist theocracy, but with equal rights for all inhabitants unlike the original Tibet, so it remains in accordance with constitutional law.

Again, I've not seen any government agency telling that Dalai Lama just existing and dicking around is considered a red line or military response would be used.
 
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