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Ex0

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Nope. Guess which was the first product the Germans announced they would purchase. The F-35. So the Germans will be buying an US fighter which has dial-home capability and that the US can disable remotely whenever they want to. Just like the Japanese just disabled the release of the latest Grand Tourismo to Russia's Playstation console users. The US will be able to disable German fighters. Yet the Germans are ok with this. This is not independence.
Theyve mentioned that before, but afaik no final decision has been made and they still need to vote on it. I'm not familiar enough with German domestic politics to say if they will or not but like you said, because of kill switch I'd never buy it and if I could produce my own, which
 

Jingle Bells

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I agree 100% on all your points. So for your last point on subregions are you referring to a "People's Republic of Eastern Ukraine" (East of Dnieper river) that is defacto independent puppet that invites Russian troops as "peacekeepers"? Or are you only referring to the small areas of DNR/LNR? I think only DNR/LNR is really not worth all this sanctions, but partitioning Ukraine into West Ukraine vs East Ukraine (independent puppet regime) along Dneiper river is a great prize and worthy of all the sanctions. West Ukraine is rendered a failed state without access to Black Sea coast, while Eastern Ukraine can be defacto Russian ally.
You think huge, and you talk huge. You think like old colonial era imperialists great powers, who carves up countries on a map like cakes, today's world does NOT work like this. Reality is usually very complicated and full of small details.

First of all, I don't think there will ever be a so-called one unified "Eastern Ukrainian People's Republic". If might seem easy for you to say, but in reality, nation forming like this is extremely difficult and complicated. Russia has neither the time, nor the resources, nor the man power to do such nation forming/building process. And such an effort will most certainly be met with sabotage efforts by the West. Russia will NOT do such stupid thing.

In my opinion, Russia will ONLY support a DNR/LNR type of small P.R.'s. They are fragmented, and they are much easier to sustain, supply, coordinate and control. Because these little P.R.'s already has their own state-like organizational structure and population base in place, all they need is the backings and support of Russia.

Right now, I don't see any other little P.R.'s like this readily coming in to existence any time soon (meaning "within a few days/few weeks"), But in a slightly longer war, Russia could very well set up these in the territories they control. But like I said, such effort will need time, as well as the relative state of conflict/confusion. If the war is easily and speedily won like how you have imagined, it would give Russia very little muddy zone to do such things (所谓浑水摸鱼,搅浑了水才能干私活不被大对手阻挠和破坏). Because if peace is back, the existing governmental structure (albeit one that is under Russian occupation) will simply take over.

And in today's interconnected world, if peace is back (and Ukrainian government capitulated like you have wished), the entire governmental structure, bureaucracy, and population base will still retain the same momentum of their old allegiance. And it would be nearly impossible for Russia to set up a pro-Russian governmental structure, without facing huge populist opposition and resistance from the locals and the international communities, in a time of peace (under Russian occupation).

This is why I think Russia is singling out the likes of Aidar and Azov, while still only killing them slowly. Because taking their time could give the pro-Russian sympathizer from the ethnic-Russian local populations to slowly have the confidence to come out and form their own DNR/LNR type of organized structures of resistance/anti-Azov(Aidar) entities. Therefore, the ever aggressive and inhumane mannerisms of the Azov/Aidar is playing right into Putin's hands.
 

9dashline

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Full article:
Exclusive: Facebook temporarily allows posts on Ukraine war calling for violence against invading Russians or Putin's death

By Munsif Vengattil and Elizabeth Culliford

March 10 (Reuters) - Meta Platforms
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will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion, according to internal emails seen by Reuters on Thursday, in a temporary change to its hate speech policy.

The social media company is also temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President Vladimir Putin or Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko in countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland, according to internal emails to its content moderators.

"As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

The calls for the leaders' deaths will be allowed unless they contain other targets or have two indicators of credibility, such as the location or method, one email said, in a recent change to the company's rules on violence and incitement.

The temporary policy changes on calls for violence to Russian soldiers apply to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, and Ukraine, according to one email.

In the email recently sent to moderators, Meta highlighted a change in its hate speech policy pertaining both to Russian soldiers and to Russians in the context of the invasion.

"We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the Hate Speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, EXCEPT prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it's clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (e.g., content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc.)," it said in the email.

"We are doing this because we have observed that in this specific context, 'Russian soldiers' is being used as a proxy for the Russian military. The Hate Speech policy continues to prohibit attacks on Russians," the email stated.


Last week, Russia said it was banning Facebook in the country in response to what it said were restrictions of access to Russian media on the platform. Moscow has cracked down on tech companies, including Twitter
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, which said it is restricted in the country, during its invasion of Ukraine, which it calls a "special operation."

Many major social media platforms have announced new content restrictions around the conflict, including blocking Russian state media RT and Sputnik in Europe, and have demonstrated carve-outs in some of their policies during the war.

Emails also showed that Meta would allow praise of the right-wing Azov battalion, which is normally prohibited, in a change first reported by The Intercept.

Meta spokesman Joe Osborne previously said the company was "for the time being, making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov Regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine National Guard."




The bolded text is the more relevant part. In short, hate against Putin, Lukashenko, and Russian soldiers is good. Support of the Azov Regiment is also good. Support of violence against Russian POW's and civilians is bad. Reuters was just trying to get some clicks, but this is a slippery slope. Note this: credible calls for violence against Russian civilians.

What is considered credible and what is not credible? If one were to say: "Fuck every single Russian and their babushka. I hope they all die" in the middle of the conversation about the war, is that credible or not? Regardless, f**k you lizard man.
When China takes Taiwan MARK MY WORDS the likes of Facebook and US Government will be the ones calling for Genocide of mainland Chinese diaspora living in the US and elsewhere...
 

Weaasel

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TB-2 video releases have gone down a lot in the last few days because the Russians are getting their acts together.

But also remember NATO is sharing ISR with the Ukrainians in real time.
They can still find any gaps in Russian air defenses.
What are the among the standard methodologies of anti-drone warfare?
 

Jingle Bells

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Right now, the Americans are pursuing the enemy of my enemy is my friend with regards to the Far Right and Neo Nazi groups - many of which have been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and security services. The Obama Administration back in 2014 also saw it worthwhile then to abet them in the ousting of Yanukovych, and the American Mainstream Media coverage of the Neonazis and Far Right in Ukraine has been poor since that time...
That's old news to me.....

Full article:
Exclusive: Facebook temporarily allows posts on Ukraine war calling for violence against invading Russians or Putin's death

By Munsif Vengattil and Elizabeth Culliford

March 10 (Reuters) - Meta Platforms
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will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion, according to internal emails seen by Reuters on Thursday, in a temporary change to its hate speech policy.

The social media company is also temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President Vladimir Putin or Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko in countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland, according to internal emails to its content moderators.

"As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

The calls for the leaders' deaths will be allowed unless they contain other targets or have two indicators of credibility, such as the location or method, one email said, in a recent change to the company's rules on violence and incitement.

The temporary policy changes on calls for violence to Russian soldiers apply to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, and Ukraine, according to one email.

In the email recently sent to moderators, Meta highlighted a change in its hate speech policy pertaining both to Russian soldiers and to Russians in the context of the invasion.

"We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the Hate Speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, EXCEPT prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it's clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (e.g., content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc.)," it said in the email.

"We are doing this because we have observed that in this specific context, 'Russian soldiers' is being used as a proxy for the Russian military. The Hate Speech policy continues to prohibit attacks on Russians," the email stated.


Last week, Russia said it was banning Facebook in the country in response to what it said were restrictions of access to Russian media on the platform. Moscow has cracked down on tech companies, including Twitter
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, which said it is restricted in the country, during its invasion of Ukraine, which it calls a "special operation."

Many major social media platforms have announced new content restrictions around the conflict, including blocking Russian state media RT and Sputnik in Europe, and have demonstrated carve-outs in some of their policies during the war.

Emails also showed that Meta would allow praise of the right-wing Azov battalion, which is normally prohibited, in a change first reported by The Intercept.

Meta spokesman Joe Osborne previously said the company was "for the time being, making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov Regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine National Guard."




The bolded text is the more relevant part. In short, hate against Putin, Lukashenko, and Russian soldiers is good. Support of the Azov Regiment is also good. Support of violence against Russian POW's and civilians is bad. Reuters was just trying to get some clicks, but this is a slippery slope. Note this: credible calls for violence against Russian civilians.

What is considered credible and what is not credible? If one were to say: "Fuck every single Russian and their babushka. I hope they all die" in the middle of the conversation about the war, is that credible or not? Regardless, f**k you lizard man.
Just as I thought, playing right into Putin's hands.

Trump was so right about him. Putin is a genius!
 

gadgetcool5

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All the sources of this article comes from the Ukrainian defense force Facebook site. Talk about objective and non biased.

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I never thought they were unbiased, but this is ridiculous. This website might as well be the PR arm of the Ukrainian military. Then again, given the list of board members, one shouldn't be surprised:

General Jack Keane (US Army, Retired), Chairman, Institute for the Study of War; President, GSI, LLC


Dr. Kimberly Kagan, Founder & President, Institute for the Study of War


The Honorable Kelly Craft, Former US Ambassador to UN and Canada


Dr. William Kristol, Director, Defending Democracy Together


The Honorable Joseph I. Lieberman, Senior Council, Kasowitz Benson Torres & Friedman, LLP


Kevin Mandia, Chief Executive Officer & Board Director, Mandiant


Jack D. McCarthy, Jr., Senior Managing Director & Founder, A&M Capital


Bruce Mosler, Chairman, Global Brokerage, Cushman & Wakefield, Inc.


General David H. Petraeus (US Army, Retired), Member, KKR & Chairman, KKR Global Institute


Dr. Warren Phillips, Lead Director, CACI International


Colonel William Roberti (US Army, Retired), Managing Director, Alvarez & Marsal
 

Abominable

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Ukrainian sources reporting the demands from Russia:

1. Refusal to move to NATO. Neutral status of Ukraine.

2. Russian is the second state language. Repeal of all laws restricting it.

3. Recognition of Crimea by Ukraine as Russian.

4. Recognition by Ukraine of the independence of the DPR and LPR within the administrative boundaries of the regions (including the territories currently controlled by Ukraine).

5. "Denazification" . Prohibition of the activities of ultranationalist, Nazi and neo-Nazi parties and public organizations, the abolition of existing laws on the glorification of Nazis and neo-Nazis.

6. "Demilitarization of Ukraine". A complete rejection of offensive weapons, under which, if desired, any type of weapon can be raised.
It seems a more severe than previous demands requested by Russia and would address most reasons Russia started the war. It doesn't address the nuclear issue, or the presence of biolabs. Then there is the issue of cities like Kiev and Odessa which are historically Russian (according to them).

It looks like a no go from the Ukrainians for now, as they appear to be refusing any deal that results in a loss of territory (including Crimea).
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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I never thought they were unbiased, but this is ridiculous. This website might as well be the PR arm of the Ukrainian military. Then again, given the list of board members, one shouldn't be surprised:

General Jack Keane (US Army, Retired), Chairman, Institute for the Study of War; President, GSI, LLC


Dr. Kimberly Kagan, Founder & President, Institute for the Study of War


The Honorable Kelly Craft, Former US Ambassador to UN and Canada


Dr. William Kristol, Director, Defending Democracy Together


The Honorable Joseph I. Lieberman, Senior Council, Kasowitz Benson Torres & Friedman, LLP


Kevin Mandia, Chief Executive Officer & Board Director, Mandiant


Jack D. McCarthy, Jr., Senior Managing Director & Founder, A&M Capital


Bruce Mosler, Chairman, Global Brokerage, Cushman & Wakefield, Inc.


General David H. Petraeus (US Army, Retired), Member, KKR & Chairman, KKR Global Institute


Dr. Warren Phillips, Lead Director, CACI International


Colonel William Roberti (US Army, Retired), Managing Director, Alvarez & Marsal

I really don't understand this critique.
They are pretty open about who they are and what their purpose is.
They even substantiate their assessments with sources and try to verify them.
They might not get everything right but they don't claim to.
If you find their assessments an insult to your own biases might I suggest you just skip them.
Or just read them for laughs.
Or even better, find something similar from the Russian side so we can compare.
 
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