Ukrainian War Developments

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Weaasel

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First of all, you may call DNR/LNR as "puppet states" of Russia, but they have been fighting (with the help of Russia, I admit) for 8 years right now. The level of organization, command structure, local population support, local governance, mobilization of fighting-age people from the local population in a procedural manner, etc. all of these are already in place and successfully forged over the last 8 years.

Now if you think Russia can just take the whole "Eastern Ukraine" and somehow make it into a obedient and working puppet state that is all of a sudden loyal/friendly to Russia, just as an immediate aftermath of a supposed successful "Blitzkrieg" (as termed by you) by Russia on Ukraine, is beyond absurd. It's easy to destroy a structure, but it takes time, resources and effort to build one up.

Remember, neo-nazism are not a objective material finite thing. It's an ideology, it's a set of beliefs. No war Putin can throw at Ukraine with the limited resources he has can really eradicate an ideology. Even if Putin annihilate all the ultra-nationalist forces in Ukraine right now like the Aidar or Azov, it STILL does NOT mean that such ideology can be eradicated. However, Putin's hammering on these groups/military-forces can still work very effective in a much larger and ongoing effort of "denazification" of Ukraine.

Putin's punishing blows on these neo-nazi forces can greatly reduced their confidence, and drag them from under the radar of the media focus of the world community. You already see Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis and people from many Muslim countries becoming sharply aware of their resentment for colored people. Given that the US and the West has already been somewhat embarrassed about the like of Aidar and Azov in their own home media in the West, so much so as resulting in a 2018 us congress bill to forbid direct US military aid towards these groups. Now that Putin is focusing on them, it's already a media victory for Putin, in my opinion.
Right now, the Americans are pursuing the enemy of my enemy is my friend with regards to the Far Right and Neo Nazi groups - many of which have been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and security services. The Obama Administration back in 2014 also saw it worthwhile then to abet them in the ousting of Yanukovych, and the American Mainstream Media coverage of the Neonazis and Far Right in Ukraine has been poor since that time...
 

Abominable

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Brit vet used to terrorizing iraqis and afghans, does some wartourism in Ukraine. Realizes that getting CAS'd by russians isnt the same as fighting poor farmers with 24/7 ISR overwatch, tries to escape, Ukrainians think he is Russian and torture him.

Yep, pretty much how I expected it would play out. Apparently there's 18,000 of these so we'll be hearing a lot more stories like this.

Good job he was picked up by the Ukies and not the Russians as he wouldn't be able to run away to mummy.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Again, China had it right with the Great Firewall. Fuck everyone who works at Facebook

Full article:
Exclusive: Facebook temporarily allows posts on Ukraine war calling for violence against invading Russians or Putin's death

By Munsif Vengattil and Elizabeth Culliford

March 10 (Reuters) - Meta Platforms
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will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion, according to internal emails seen by Reuters on Thursday, in a temporary change to its hate speech policy.

The social media company is also temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President Vladimir Putin or Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko in countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland, according to internal emails to its content moderators.

"As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

The calls for the leaders' deaths will be allowed unless they contain other targets or have two indicators of credibility, such as the location or method, one email said, in a recent change to the company's rules on violence and incitement.

The temporary policy changes on calls for violence to Russian soldiers apply to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, and Ukraine, according to one email.

In the email recently sent to moderators, Meta highlighted a change in its hate speech policy pertaining both to Russian soldiers and to Russians in the context of the invasion.

"We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the Hate Speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, EXCEPT prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it's clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (e.g., content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc.)," it said in the email.

"We are doing this because we have observed that in this specific context, 'Russian soldiers' is being used as a proxy for the Russian military. The Hate Speech policy continues to prohibit attacks on Russians," the email stated.


Last week, Russia said it was banning Facebook in the country in response to what it said were restrictions of access to Russian media on the platform. Moscow has cracked down on tech companies, including Twitter
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, which said it is restricted in the country, during its invasion of Ukraine, which it calls a "special operation."

Many major social media platforms have announced new content restrictions around the conflict, including blocking Russian state media RT and Sputnik in Europe, and have demonstrated carve-outs in some of their policies during the war.

Emails also showed that Meta would allow praise of the right-wing Azov battalion, which is normally prohibited, in a change first reported by The Intercept.

Meta spokesman Joe Osborne previously said the company was "for the time being, making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov Regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine National Guard."




The bolded text is the more relevant part. In short, hate against Putin, Lukashenko, and Russian soldiers is good. Support of the Azov Regiment is also good. Support of violence against Russian POW's and civilians is bad. Reuters was just trying to get some clicks, but this is a slippery slope. Note this: credible calls for violence against Russian civilians.

What is considered credible and what is not credible? If one were to say: "Fuck every single Russian and their babushka. I hope they all die" in the middle of the conversation about the war, is that credible or not? Regardless, f**k you lizard man.
 
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discspinner

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Yeah its dramatic footage, but it is also a sign of just how dire the situation is for the Ukrainians.

The Russians were bunching up on the main road and they could only bring, what? A single artillery piece to bare that whole time, and what did they actually achieve against such a target rich environment? One kill?

The Russians are sloppy and over confident, but they are still beating the snot out of the Ukrainians.

Absolutely unbelievable how Major Eaton was saying this is a 'structured ambush'. The only thing I see is a large armored column with multiple tanks firing forward (creating the characteristic cannon exhaust plume) and a few rockets being fired. There is nothing fired by Ukraine that is landing on the column
 

Weaasel

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It's Russia. The west will achieve exactly the opposite of whatever they expect
It might be that Putin has significantly or greatly rallied Russian society towards a clean break with the West, and they do regard the issue of having a hostile state in Ukraine as a threat to Russia itself and that Russia must at least do what is necessary to neutralize that hostility, the minimum of which is having that state
 

Han Patriot

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TB-2 video releases have gone down a lot in the last few days because the Russians are getting their acts together.

But also remember NATO is sharing ISR with the Ukrainians in real time.
They can still find any gaps in Russian air defenses.
Don't forget nobody knows whether those videos are real. The way we can judge how the war is going beneath all the smokescreen is to look at how desperate Zelensky is now. hahaha.

If people think wars can be won just by using low level drones (TB-2) and Anti tank missiles, then I guess China would win US hands down, we mass produce better drones than the Turkish ones.
 
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