JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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dh19440113
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FC-1 will eventually be accepted into plaaf, or plan. It will probably upgrade it with better indiginous equiptment before it accepted into chinese service. A cheaper than J-10 fighter with modern capability is a very good replacenment for the j-7.
For example, Type 90 tank wasn't accepted by PLA, but type 99 was accepted.
FC-1 will eventually be accepted into plaaf, or plan. It will probably upgrade it with better indiginous equiptment before it accepted into chinese service. A cheaper than J-10 fighter with modern capability is a very good replacenment for the j-7.
For example, Type 90 tank wasn't accepted by PLA, but type 99 was accepted.
Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
Appears like quite a few countries are interested in the JF-17 if the permitted re-export of Russian RD-93 fighter jet engines is true.
China to Re-Export Russian Jet Engine
The Russian Federal Military Technology Cooperation Service has permitted China to re-export Russian RD-93 fighter jet engines as part of FC-1 Chinese-Pakistani planes to six countries, including Algeria, which, until now, has only bought Russian jets. Besides Pakistan and Algeria, the countries that will receive the planes are Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia.
The presence of Algeria on the lost was unexpected. It is the third-largest buyer of Russian military hardware and has only purchased coast guard boats and Kalashnikov plants from China so far. Russia signed a contract with Algeria in March 2006 for the delivery of 28 MiG-29SMT and 6 MiG-29UB planes. However, the Algerian government complained about the quality of the planes immediately after the first deliveries. Russia offered to replace two of the planes, which were manufactured by the Sokol plant in Nizhny Novgorod after Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika wrote to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but Algeria did not respond to that suggestion. Observers say that the country's interest in the FC-1 may be due to its disappointment with the MiGs, although the FC-1 is much less militarily effective.
The FC-1 (known as the JF-17 in Pakistan) is the first Chinese multifunctional fighter jet created for the foreign market. Design of the aircraft began in the early 1990s by Chengdu Aircraft Industry. Pakistan paid for about half of the design costs ($75 million). The Russian RD-93 engines for it were designed by the Klimov company and are manufactured by Chernyshev Moscow Heavy Machinery Enterprise. Rosoboronexport struck a $238-million deal for the first 100 engines for the craft in 2005.
Pakistan is the only country that has signed a for the purchase of the aircraft so far. Besides the countries that plan to sign contracts, Lebanon, Burma, Iran and Sri Lanka have expressed interest in it.
Appears like quite a few countries are interested in the JF-17 if the permitted re-export of Russian RD-93 fighter jet engines is true.
China to Re-Export Russian Jet Engine
The Russian Federal Military Technology Cooperation Service has permitted China to re-export Russian RD-93 fighter jet engines as part of FC-1 Chinese-Pakistani planes to six countries, including Algeria, which, until now, has only bought Russian jets. Besides Pakistan and Algeria, the countries that will receive the planes are Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia.
The presence of Algeria on the lost was unexpected. It is the third-largest buyer of Russian military hardware and has only purchased coast guard boats and Kalashnikov plants from China so far. Russia signed a contract with Algeria in March 2006 for the delivery of 28 MiG-29SMT and 6 MiG-29UB planes. However, the Algerian government complained about the quality of the planes immediately after the first deliveries. Russia offered to replace two of the planes, which were manufactured by the Sokol plant in Nizhny Novgorod after Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika wrote to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but Algeria did not respond to that suggestion. Observers say that the country's interest in the FC-1 may be due to its disappointment with the MiGs, although the FC-1 is much less militarily effective.
The FC-1 (known as the JF-17 in Pakistan) is the first Chinese multifunctional fighter jet created for the foreign market. Design of the aircraft began in the early 1990s by Chengdu Aircraft Industry. Pakistan paid for about half of the design costs ($75 million). The Russian RD-93 engines for it were designed by the Klimov company and are manufactured by Chernyshev Moscow Heavy Machinery Enterprise. Rosoboronexport struck a $238-million deal for the first 100 engines for the craft in 2005.
Pakistan is the only country that has signed a for the purchase of the aircraft so far. Besides the countries that plan to sign contracts, Lebanon, Burma, Iran and Sri Lanka have expressed interest in it.
Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
why does plaaf need this plane.can understand pak needs it,though it can't counter indian su-30 Mki but still may be effective against mig-29 and M2K-H of india{to some extent}. but plaaf needs something else,something more advanced much more.
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why does plaaf need this plane.can understand pak needs it,though it can't counter indian su-30 Mki but still may be effective against mig-29 and M2K-H of india{to some extent}. but plaaf needs something else,something more advanced much more.
respect others and they will respect you.
Londo Molari
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
What do you think PLAAF will replace its current squadrons of Q-5, J-7 and J-8 with?
Thats more than 1300 aircraft. Sure PLAAF will manufacture some more J-10, and J-11... but I think FC-1 is more likely to fill majority of those old squadrons, since FC-1 is much cheaper than J-10 and J-11.
Thats the main explanation and expectation for a PLAAF demand of FC-1.
But time will tell. Maybe they will downsize the fleet, or keep those old aircraft around for another 20 years, and FC-1 will never enter PLAAF. We'll see.
What do you think PLAAF will replace its current squadrons of Q-5, J-7 and J-8 with?
Thats more than 1300 aircraft. Sure PLAAF will manufacture some more J-10, and J-11... but I think FC-1 is more likely to fill majority of those old squadrons, since FC-1 is much cheaper than J-10 and J-11.
Thats the main explanation and expectation for a PLAAF demand of FC-1.
But time will tell. Maybe they will downsize the fleet, or keep those old aircraft around for another 20 years, and FC-1 will never enter PLAAF. We'll see.
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man as far as i know plaaf has some plans to buy a few.maybe 100 maybe 200 maybe 300 but definitely they r buying a few of those.
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man as far as i know plaaf has some plans to buy a few.maybe 100 maybe 200 maybe 300 but definitely they r buying a few of those.
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dh19440113
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
China is a large country and require lots of aircraft to defend it. Currently this job is given to obsolete 2nd and third generation aircraft. FC-1 provide a cheap to procure/operate 4th gen alternative to the equation. It can fire BVR, It can drop laser guided bomb, it can launch antiship missile. FC-1 has all PLAAF will need to defend mainland airspace. Obviously, FC-1 can't fullfill the tip of the spear offensive role, thats left for the more capable JH-7, J-11, J-10, and Flankers.
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AmiGanguli
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Wasn't the cost of the J-10 less than $30M each? So 1300 would cost about $39B. The official Chinese military budget is currently $44B/year, and has been growing at around 15%/year.
If China spent 4% of it's official military budget on J-10s per year, and increased that budget by 15% per year, then it would have 1300 planes in 10 years (64 new planes in the first year, 74 in the second, etc).
For comparison, the U.S. spends about 3% of its annual military budget on Raptors, JSFs, and Hornets.
Of course if the FC-1 is the cheapest way to fill the need, then it might still be the right plane to buy. But it's not true that China can't afford the J-10.
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Wasn't the cost of the J-10 less than $30M each? So 1300 would cost about $39B. The official Chinese military budget is currently $44B/year, and has been growing at around 15%/year.
If China spent 4% of it's official military budget on J-10s per year, and increased that budget by 15% per year, then it would have 1300 planes in 10 years (64 new planes in the first year, 74 in the second, etc).
For comparison, the U.S. spends about 3% of its annual military budget on Raptors, JSFs, and Hornets.
Of course if the FC-1 is the cheapest way to fill the need, then it might still be the right plane to buy. But it's not true that China can't afford the J-10.
... Ami.
dh19440113
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
Fc-1 only cost 10 million and with some additional electronic and guidence equipment and maintainance tools $15 million is the amount PLAAF pay per plane. Thats half the cost of J-10. That money can be saved for tip of the spear offensive fighter such as J-XX research or acquire additional J-11B.
Defensive shield fighters are rarely used planes, PlAAF has been satisfied producing J-7G and J-8IIF for this role. Thunder will be a needed improvement over previous generation fighter without spending too much.
Fc-1 only cost 10 million and with some additional electronic and guidence equipment and maintainance tools $15 million is the amount PLAAF pay per plane. Thats half the cost of J-10. That money can be saved for tip of the spear offensive fighter such as J-XX research or acquire additional J-11B.
Defensive shield fighters are rarely used planes, PlAAF has been satisfied producing J-7G and J-8IIF for this role. Thunder will be a needed improvement over previous generation fighter without spending too much.
AmiGanguli
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I understand the argument. But it's actually the rumors of the J-XX that make me skeptical.
Imagine China buys lots of FC-1s now, and in ten years or so the J-XX starts ramping up production. Then you've got FC-1s, J-10s, J-11s, and J-XX in service all at the same time. The FC-1s would still have 20 years of life left, but already be somewhat obsolete.
On the other hand, they could concentrate on buying J-10s for the next ten years, and then switch to buying J-XXs. The J-10s would initially be deployed as "tip-of-spear" fighters, and then moved back to fill the role that the J-7s fill now as J-XXs enter service. They'd have one less type in production, and a more capable fleet overall.
... Ami.
I understand the argument. But it's actually the rumors of the J-XX that make me skeptical.
Imagine China buys lots of FC-1s now, and in ten years or so the J-XX starts ramping up production. Then you've got FC-1s, J-10s, J-11s, and J-XX in service all at the same time. The FC-1s would still have 20 years of life left, but already be somewhat obsolete.
On the other hand, they could concentrate on buying J-10s for the next ten years, and then switch to buying J-XXs. The J-10s would initially be deployed as "tip-of-spear" fighters, and then moved back to fill the role that the J-7s fill now as J-XXs enter service. They'd have one less type in production, and a more capable fleet overall.
... Ami.
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