Ladakh Flash Point

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siegecrossbow

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Let's also get real here. I'm sure Indian T-90s can shoot in high altitude.

Just because they don't supply footage of their T-90s shooting or in high altitude, doesn't mean they can't. It also doesn't mean there aren't any footage of this they just don't want to or haven't released. They obviously might have more issues due to oxygen deprivation for the engines but there's no doubt T-90s can and probably do operate in high altitude areas in western and south western Ladakh.

I don't question that they can shoot and operate fine in high altitude. I question how much ammo (which are mostly imported) they have in storage and whether they will be able to properly maintain/replace gun barrels/other equipment after heavy live fire. By their own admission they have enough ammunition to last 10 days of intense fighting. Makes sense for them to conserve ammunition for actual war.

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I don't question that they can shoot and operate fine in high altitude. I question how much ammo (which are mostly imported) they have in storage and whether they will be able to properly maintain/replace gun barrels/other equipment after heavy live fire. By their own admission they have enough ammunition to last 10 days of intense fighting. Makes sense for them to conserve ammunition for actual war.

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Just a word of caution about these "reasonable Indians"-they might be playing the "good cop-bad cop" routine to lull us into a false sense of trust and then they'll dump a load of sh*t on us.Beware.
 

ougoah

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Just a word of caution about these "reasonable Indians"-they might be playing the "good cop-bad cop" routine to lull us into a false sense of trust and then they'll dump a load of sh*t on us.Beware.

Ahh the ones that dump shit always dump shit and it stinks from a mile away. It's too obvious. There's no risk of being lulled into believing and following their narratives with some "good cop bad cop" routine. It's just some Indians genuinely are far more sensible and grounded while the ones on heat, the RSS Seig Heil saluting, orange undies are too obvious and cannot hide or contain their nonsense. Don't worry ;) The sensible ones around political discussions may hold some bias as many would expect to for everyone but they aren't so bad and definitely are worth talking to. It's not part of a tactic they've organised between themselves.
 

manqiangrexue

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I have gone for work visits to china and your factory heads, probably communist party members, have deep complexes wrt India and usa.
Ranting against the Americans to a visiting inspection engineer and comparing india to china without any class.
Oh man! Nice story. But you gotta tell it to the end right to the part where you were woken from the dream up by another Indian taking a dump in the garbage pile you were sleeping in in some alleyway in Delhi.
Shut him and the translator up when i said my pet dog has more freedom than a average Chinese.
Well, my dog takes dumps in areas more sanitary than the average Indian home and he eats bovine meat instead of bovine dung/urine! But nothing shuts Indians up; they'd just go, "Well, dung and urine are processed through the body and better than bloody dirty unprocessed meat!"
And rejected a fair bit of equipment. Should have seen his face.
Awww, I don't have any stories where I go to India because from the warnings of everyone who has been there, you'd have to tranquilize me to get me on the plane heading there and then I'd try to cling to the return flight landing gear like an Afghan traitor on the Taliban hit list.

But I have worked with 3 Indians in my field! Real story: one guy cried to the director when he made mistakes and was getting chewed out, he failed all 3 of his finals, and he accidentally revealed a paper in his lab prematurely to a competitor lab resulting in them getting scooped on the publication. He tried to say it was his female labmate's fault, but forgot that he left an email chain proving his guilt so she just forwarded that to the director. The instructor for one of the test modules was Indian as well and she gave him the questions and answers for his redemption test; not only did he fail that as well (apparently, he said there was a miscommunication and he thought those were practice questions so he didn't pay attention), he accidentally told everyone that his instructor tried to cheat for him. His nickname was "The Syndrome."

The other 2 Indians were very good, fine upstanding fellows who did their work on time and to high quality. We didn't chat much until graduation... and that day, we found out that one was Pakistani and the other from Bangladesh.
Not sure what you mean by increased scrutiny. Multiple studies have shown that the populations of most western countries and even some Asian countries have a more favorable view of India compared with China.
They're not gonna like a China that's expanding its territory and influence, are they? What's it gonna take for the US to like China more than India? China's gonna have to be weaker than India obviously LOL
 
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Abhimanyu

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I'm going to color-code your hypocrisy, so you can clearly see it:

Statement 1: "Don't put people in one bucket"
Statement 2: "Pakistanis are non-sensible idiots"

Do you see the hypocritical contradiction in these two statements of yours? And yet, we Pakistanis the insensible ones? lolz

Again, you're trying to attack Pakistan in these underhanded cowardly ways. But you're not smart enough for indirect warfare. For the Nth time, stop dragging Pakistan into your hapless arguments on this thread.
Apologies Mohsin you felt it that way. But India and China have traded and exchanged people and ideas for the past 50 years in spite of differences. Even with a 3 year low, we have a $86 billion trade with China. Both countries understand that escalation is not in benefit with other in spite of the bravado displayed by armchair and chest thumping netizens. Let me put it this way both Indians and Pakistanis could be more sensible and mature in areas where co-operation is possible. However, we hold an enmity with emotional bonds and baggage which doesn't leave either of us. We are ready to be burnt just to be happy about the other's loss and that is not what India china relation should become. Ladakh is an aberration. Both countries are powerful and see other as strategic threat. That should be the focus of dialogue. I do not see normality in short term but hopeful once the dust has settled things will be better. I desire same for India Pakistan also but that will require a lot of maturity(on either side)
 

Mohsin77

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Apologies Mohsin you felt it that way. But India and China have traded and exchanged people and ideas for the past 50 years in spite of differences. Even with a 3 year low, we have a $86 billion trade with China. Both countries understand that escalation is not in benefit with other in spite of the bravado displayed by armchair and chest thumping netizens. Let me put it this way both Indians and Pakistanis could be more sensible and mature in areas where co-operation is possible. However, we hold an enmity with emotional bonds and baggage which doesn't leave either of us. We are ready to be burnt just to be happy about the other's loss and that is not what India china relation should become. Ladakh is an aberration. Both countries are powerful and see other as strategic threat. That should be the focus of dialogue. I do not see normality in short term but hopeful once the dust has settled things will be better. I desire same for India Pakistan also but that will require a lot of maturity(on either side)

That's fine, just don't keep dragging in Pakistan in a thread concerning China and India for no reason, especially with a negative connotation.
 

siegecrossbow

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I am not that well versed or have fully immersed into the Sino-India 1962 war so I want to ask the informed people on this forum how true is this claim made by some Indians about this particular stand out soldier.


The Indian army was skeptical and originally wanted to court martial him for desertion but after tales of his "exploits" became widespread in India, they chose to honor him instead.
 

Xizor

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I am not that well versed or have fully immersed into the Sino-India 1962 war so I want to ask the informed people on this forum how true is this claim made by some Indians about this particular stand out soldier.


Arunachal Pradesh or South Tibet was captured by China. The 1962 war had China capture 300 to 400 km into the current Indian controlled region.


And Chinese decided to withdraw unilaterally. So whatever this soldier did ( if at all it really happened) had no bearing on the overall outcomes of that war - China defeating India. I don't think even Indians dispute that. Much to the Indian governments chagrin, a report was released - Brooks Henderson report- which India banned, that paints India as the aggressor and pointed out various shortcomings and failures of Indian military and administration.

That being the case, whenever India is confronted with the 1962 war case, I have seen them raise 1967 clash ( which wasn't a war but a small clash similar to the Galwan of 2020) where Indians assert victory ( unverifiable and the numbers are contested).
 
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