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BoraTas

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China folded
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So the No2 of the US State department will meet the Foreign minister Wang Yi. China clearly folded on this as previously they proposed her to meet with the Chinese Vice minister of foreign affairs.

Loss for China as it is now confirming that the Foreign Minister is just a "junior". Expect more countries to demand the same treatment in the future. Dissapointing
This sounds like Indian and Taiwanese trolls who said China was weak for not bombing Taiwan after the US plane had landed. This type of short meetings with officials of different rank (higher or lower) is not uncommon, especially when you are the side being visited.
 

siegecrossbow

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This sounds like Indian and Taiwanese trolls who said China was weak for not bombing Taiwan after the US plane had landed. This type of short meetings with officials of different rank (higher or lower) is not uncommon, especially when you are the side being visited.

Indians are weak for not carpet bombing Beijing with 10,000 Brahmos missiles when China is occupying like 70,000 square miles of their land (as per Jai Hind perceptions).
 

Bellum_Romanum

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This sounds like Indian and Taiwanese trolls who said China was weak for not bombing Taiwan after the US plane had landed. This type of short meetings with officials of different rank (higher or lower) is not uncommon, especially when you are the side being visited.
It's funny sometimes reading some of the reactionary "Chinese geopolitical experts and strategists" on this forum. You can tell some of our members are too Westernized and caught up with misplaced "EGOS" at the cost of the country just to show who's the new Sheriff in town.

I can only say, thank f..ng goodness that Chinese leadership is not prone to emotional tantrums when reacting to any foreign policy slights in light of the current challenges and onslaught from the U.S. and it's vassals continues attack from all fronts. Count our lucky stars that China is not being run democratically otherwise the country would have already been at war with India last year, would have been at war with Taiwan, Australia, Japan, and pretty much the while f..ng world since no democratically elected Chinese leaders can withstand the severe public pressures and demand for them to retaliate against all the countries mentioned above.

I don't need to provide any evidence since all the evidence all of us need is to simply look at the number or wars initialized by these peace loving, democracy singing warmongering countries exemplified by the U.S. India, Australia etc..These countries have been at war or involved with armed conflict against it's perceived threats very recently. China on the other hand hasn't fired a shot since it's conflict against Vietnam in 1979.

It's entertaining to read some of the takes for sure but I will not take any insights that screams bloody murder or surrender whenever Chinese leadership accepts or engage in any diplomatic dance with it's challengers. Talking is almost always better than fighting and expending human lives that benefits no one.
 

Sardaukar20

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Well the liberals think China and CPC is evil and the right prefer western politics because they share economic attitudes. The capitalists prefer the west because again that's the same game. They don't get China, they don't control how it functions, they can't enslave and extract things they want whenever they want. It's the same problem and attitudes as China faces from western elites, except to a much smaller scale. Japan often plays diplomacy and realpolitik like an east asian country. Honestly there is little difference between the three major ones (not counting NK) on this front. Equally aggressive and passive in the same areas. Equally vocal and quiet.

Ideally Japan is left alone by China and Japan in turn also leaves it alone. Some mutually agreeable compromise on disputes formed to avoid pointless war. What ensues is working political relations and decent economic ones. Japan doesn't want to be a vassal of China and nor should it be. China shouldn't have to deal with Japan US military alliance but it is. This current situation won't find solutions until China rises further and cements a position where Japan will respect China in a way that discourages confrontations between the two. In turn, China would need to compromise as well. This overly hawkish and chauvinistic attitude won't help China. Japan should recognise WW2 and the three nations should work together to get past that. Then a clean start and working relations will be good for Asians, much to the chagrin of western elites if that world were to ever become realised.
This reminded me of the time when Yukio Hatoyama was PM of Japan from 2009 to 2010. Under his tenure, Japan was more East-oriented. Relations with China and South Korea was warming. It almost looked like for a time, like Japan could at least go on a different path. But unfortunately, his tenure didn't last long. He resigned after threats of a no-confidence vote due to some economic performance expectation issue. Successive PMs after him were hit and miss and they too didn't last long. Until Abe became PM.

Things between China and Japan was going relatively ok until the 2012 Diaoyu Islands dispute. What Japan did was absolutely wrong. But the reaction in China with their intense anti-Japanese protest progressing to rioting was in my opinion not good. If you disagree, just observe your horror and anger at the other anti-China protest-riots in Vietnam, and Myanmar. Its probably what the Japanese public had felt when they saw footages of that protest-riot in China. Additionally, that protest gave much ammunition to the Western and Japanese right-wing media to fear monger about China. Since by that time, Abe was the PM, this was the perfect propaganda coup he needed. Then the rest is history.

In this regard with China-Japan relations. I do feel that China at that time had to take some of the blame for failing to reign in the extremes of Chinese nationalism. Fortunately, China has since then managed to keep its own extreme nationalists in check. We don't see anymore of those crazy hate-filled protest-riots like back in 2012 despite the intense Cold War-like atmosphere of today.

But the past is the past. That opportunity for rapprochement between China and Japan between 2009-2012 was missed. It was mainly Japan's fault. But both sides were not entirely innocent. So now, Japan is as belligerent as ever. Their leaders, fully submitted to the US. The best way now for China to deal with Japan is to build up overwhelming military might to safeguard its economic development. Time is on China's side. Eventually, Japan will have to learn that its place truly belongs in Asia, not in the West. Hopefully they don't choose to learn it the hard way.
 
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