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AssassinsMace

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Japanese nationalists probably hold a grudge and resentment of the US since they lost to the US and are relegated to being subordinates. It's like how Americans think they can get Russians to side with them against China despite how the US has always worked to undermine Russia. They hold a resentment against the US themselves since the Soviet Union collapsed. The Japanese being for a Sinocentric world is more likely because that will keep Western eyes off Japan. I remember in the 90s I saw some Japanese official was ecstatic that US ire was shifting towards China and not on them anymore.
 

Agnus

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Japanese nationalists probably hold a grudge and resentment of the US since they lost to the US and are relegated to being subordinates. It's like how Americans think they can get Russians to side with them against China despite how the US has always worked to undermine Russia. They hold a resentment against the US themselves since the Soviet Union collapsed. The Japanese being for a Sinocentric world is more likely because that will keep Western eyes off Japan. I remember in the 90s I saw some Japanese official was ecstatic that US ire was shifting towards China and not on them anymore.
Maybe, the Japanese nationalists don't see their current relationship with US as being submissive, more of a formality that gives them to access to most high tech weapons in the world. Or somehow riding the coattails of US gives Japan strength because they're able to project their influence through the United States. Man, Japanese nationalists must be masters of double think because I don't see how else these people are not able to lose their self respect.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Japanese nationalism makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't a Japanese nationalist favor a Sinocentric world? Why are the Japanese fighting to preserve a western centric world order? Much or a lot of Japanese culture was straight up imported from the Tang dynasty. So called Japanese nationalism seems more about keeping up the mentality that the Japanese developed during the Meiji era than pushing Japan on a world stage.
Probably the same reason a domesticated dog doesn't want to join a wolf pack. They will loose all the benefits from their current situation, instead of finding out what a new situation might bring.
 

ougoah

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Well the liberals think China and CPC is evil and the right prefer western politics because they share economic attitudes. The capitalists prefer the west because again that's the same game. They don't get China, they don't control how it functions, they can't enslave and extract things they want whenever they want. It's the same problem and attitudes as China faces from western elites, except to a much smaller scale. Japan often plays diplomacy and realpolitik like an east asian country. Honestly there is little difference between the three major ones (not counting NK) on this front. Equally aggressive and passive in the same areas. Equally vocal and quiet.

Ideally Japan is left alone by China and Japan in turn also leaves it alone. Some mutually agreeable compromise on disputes formed to avoid pointless war. What ensues is working political relations and decent economic ones. Japan doesn't want to be a vassal of China and nor should it be. China shouldn't have to deal with Japan US military alliance but it is. This current situation won't find solutions until China rises further and cements a position where Japan will respect China in a way that discourages confrontations between the two. In turn, China would need to compromise as well. This overly hawkish and chauvinistic attitude won't help China. Japan should recognise WW2 and the three nations should work together to get past that. Then a clean start and working relations will be good for Asians, much to the chagrin of western elites if that world were to ever become realised.
 
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bajingan

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Maybe, the Japanese nationalists don't see their current relationship with US as being submissive, more of a formality that gives them to access to most high tech weapons in the world. Or somehow riding the coattails of US gives Japan strength because they're able to project their influence through the United States. Man, Japanese nationalists must be masters of double think because I don't see how else these people are not able to lose their self respect.
Those high tech weaponry are more of a liability because it infringed upon your sovereignity, i heard you need an activation code everytime you want to fly your F-35 jets, so in other words you need to obtain american permission everytime you want to fly your $100 mil plane, without it your jets will only be garage queen, not too mention software upgrades, missile supplies, etc, it will all depends on the whims of their american master
Thats why having an independent military industrial complex is paramount if you want absolute sovereignity, and this is the area in which China has almost accomplished
 

Kaine

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Rocket man Kin does the incredible again. Another food shortage, this time confirmed by the UN. It is really the bane of the North Koreans that they have Kim as their leader.

Imagine having China as a neighbour and still having food shortages. Sigh

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The reclusive nation will be short by about 860,000 tons of food this year, or about two months of normal demand, the United Nation's Food and Agriculture Organization estimated in a recent report.
"The DPRK was hanging by a thread before COVID -- it has one patron, and one buyer, China -- and that thread just got worn out now, due to sanctions, COVID, and prolonged [border] closure,"
 

Gatekeeper

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Japanese nationalism makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't a Japanese nationalist favor a Sinocentric world? Why are the Japanese fighting to preserve a western centric world order? Much or a lot of Japanese culture was straight up imported from the Tang dynasty. So called Japanese nationalism seems more about keeping up the mentality that the Japanese developed during the Meiji era than pushing Japan on a world stage.

Because those Japanese who might benefit from a sinocentric world are not necessarily the same group that would benefit under Pax Americana

Its because of a perversion of the ‘samurai spirit’ where they equate might with right. America spanked them pretty hard during WWII, so under that perverted mindset, white man = superior, and Japanese social trends since their surrender have been all about emulating the white man.

The obvious solution to that mental imbalance is to spank Japan even harder than the Americans did should they dare to follow through with their wet dreaming about military intervention in Taiwan.

Japanese nationalists probably hold a grudge and resentment of the US since they lost to the US and are relegated to being subordinates. It's like how Americans think they can get Russians to side with them against China despite how the US has always worked to undermine Russia. They hold a resentment against the US themselves since the Soviet Union collapsed. The Japanese being for a Sinocentric world is more likely because that will keep Western eyes off Japan. I remember in the 90s I saw some Japanese official was ecstatic that US ire was shifting towards China and not on them anymore.

Probably the same reason a domesticated dog doesn't want to join a wolf pack. They will loose all the benefits from their current situation, instead of finding out what a new situation might bring.

Guys. You're assuming as if Japan has a choice? A vassal state that's being occupied over 70 years later is never going to be sino-centric. Also given how history has been unkind to Japan. It was only a little over a century ago, Japan harboured the great "East Asia-centric" world under it's leadership of course.

Now not only that dream evaporated into thin air, they now found themselves neutered and under the influence of it's conqueror more than 70 years later.
 
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ansy1968

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Rocket man Kin does the incredible again. Another food shortage, this time confirmed by the UN. It is really the bane of the North Koreans that they have Kim as their leader.

Imagine having China as a neighbour and still having food shortages. Sigh

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@Kaine bro China situation with North Korea is like that of Mexico to the US. But even though rocket Kim is incompetent, he is able to hold the country together and still function, while the reverse can be said of Mexico. A democratic elected gov't held hostage by the drug cartel, it had become a Narco State to the dismay and detriment of the US.
 

Kaine

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China folded
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Sherman will meet Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi
So the No2 of the US State department will meet the Foreign minister Wang Yi. China clearly folded on this as previously they proposed her to meet with the Chinese Vice minister of foreign affairs.

Loss for China as it is now confirming that the Foreign Minister is just a "junior". Expect more countries to demand the same treatment in the future. Dissapointing
 
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