Ladakh Flash Point

[manqiangrexue]

No, its not. You only truly win ( end ) a war by ocupying the enemy´s territory. That hasnt changed.


The US had a large military advantage against north vietnam, but they only sent warplanes. If they had also sent troops, they wouldnt have lost the war. Besides, nowadays, modern air defence is very lethal to most warplanes.


It doesnt even have to be a country. A lot of people in central asia dont like china, and some of these countries are politically unstable. China needs to guard this border. It doesnt have to be a large garrison force, but china should be wary.


Russia will align with china as long as putin is in power. After that, who knows whats going to happen? russia in the future could realign with the west, even if that only happens 15 years from now.


Ok. So what happens if for some reason, there is a conflict betwen the US/SK and NK and the US/SK forces advance to the north? what will china do? It seems that they need large forces in that area. I think that some years ago, the NE china region had the largest concentration of PLA land forces. Perhabs its because of that.


But china also needs to have an adequate garrison to guard the border. In case of china entering a conflict of large proportions with the US or india and having to divert large forces to face them, vietnam could be a wild card in china´s borders.


How do you know that? specially in case of a large conflict?


But china still has to properly guard those borders, and in case of a large conflict, these garrison forces becomes forces that cant be used in the conflict. They dont have to be hostile, they only need to be there.


Thanks.

Your entire premise is incorrect and logic broken. Yes, land forces that occupy are the final victory, but that is the easiest part after the air force, artillery and possibly navy win the conflict by defeating all enemy resistance. Saying that the land army is most important because it is needed for occupation is like saying that chest pushing is the most important in every race because you only win the instant you push your chest into the finish line. No, the running the the most important, just like how the air force and artillery are most important.

The US did send foot soldiers to Vietnam and they still lost. What version of history did you learn?

And modern air defense is increasingly challenging to legacy warplanes so what? You recommend sending in ground forces without air cover into enemy territory defended by their air force? LOL You are really too ignorant to be talking; you should be reading only. The solution that every modern country takes is to make warplanes stealthier and more difficult to target by air defenses. 5th gen stealth fighter, heard of it??

Also, China has the largest standing army in the world, equipped with cutting edge technology to standards that only a handful of countries can rival in any individual aspect not to mention overall. This is China's strength, not weakness.

 

[twineedle]

Your map even fails to establish that as a patrol point. It's just any satellite coordinate that you point it to. It literally shows only the existence of land.

Nope, I cannot see it. Copy the picture and circle what you say is a remnant of a PLA camp and why it cannot be the remnant of an Indian camp. or anything else at all. Then, indicate what it means, in that order. Because China can take by force, then give by contract. What is your point? But first, you need to show what remnants you are talking about.

Except it does not show anything except the existence of land. How does a picture of an empty plot with a red marker pointing to wherever you ask Google to point show that this is the area of the standoff? Anybody can take a random plot, put a red marker on it and say this is the area of a standoff.

You'll have to earn it if you want my time reading all your crap. If I take a random sample and it doesn't make sense, then I take another random sample and it's garbage as well, the rest isn't worth reading. The context is that India always spins failure into victory and unfortunately for you, the definition of troll isn't someone who makes points that you cannot refute.

You literally haven't reduted anything I have said lol. Bit if you are genuinely interested in learning rather than trolling, read this, specifically the part about Hot Springs.

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For an overview of the entire sector, look at this map and compare. Each dot is a Chinese camp.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392713717163384836

 

[manqiangrexue]

You literally haven't reduted anything I have said lol.

If I refute the evidence you lean on, I make your claims empty. That is basic debate logic.

Bit if you are genuinely interested in learning rather than trolling, read this, specifically the part about Hot Springs.

Is it Indian? Prolly not worth reading from a people known to lie about everything is it?...

So first of all, how often is Google maps updated by satellite imagery? From what I know, Google makes no claim of being a real time war situation updater.

Then, if we were to get past these, you would go on to the next part, which is, "Then, indicate what it means, in that order. Because China can take by force, then give by contract. What is your point?"

You've got a long way to go.

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Yeah it's Indian... Wasting time.

For an overview of the entire sector, look at this map and compare. Each dot is a Chinese camp.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392713717163384836

Lots of dots. What is the legitimacy of the source and what is the point you wish to get across?

 

[Abominable]

Dude you are way off when you said Nepal has strong millitary, I would have ignored it if Nepal's millitary was just decent

But nah Nepal's millitary capabilities are almost non-existent as they have no need for it
And I don't see tham attacking India due to geography, road networks they are way too dependent on India for the most basic essentials

Why would they risk it?

one angry PM won't change Nepal into a Chinese ally and certainly not the kind of ally that'll join in war

Don't sleep on Nepal. They've got Gurkhas who unlike Indians actually fight.

That is the whole point of the BRI - developing influence locally. India has been exploiting its neighbours while China will help them.

All may have weak militaries but it will cost India much more to counter each country than it would for China to arm them.

 

[weig2000]

India is doubling down in the Ladakh region and is signaling threat in Indian Ocean. We'll see if they work.

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[Orthan]

No country in central Asia has a problem with China right now, and neither does Russia (Putin or no Putin).

Your assessment of the Vietnam war is wrong, and is the sort of thing Americans like to claim. If America invaded the North, it would have twice the land to occupy and a far more hostile one. Vietcong would still continue to be armed and supported from China.

I didnt say countries, i said people. You know, the attack on the chinese embassy in kyrgyzstan in 2016, the animosity toward chinese workers and farmers, etc, and some of these states are politically unstable. Russia today aligns with china, but no knows what will happen when Putin is no longer in power.

As for the vietnam war, if the US had invaded north vietnam, the north vietnamese army wouldnt have standed a chance and china would have been forced to intervene directly. It would have been like a repeat of the korean war. Even if the US hadnt won, they wouldnt had lost, and south vietnam would still exist today.

Where do you get your information/assertion that "a lot of Central Asian countries don't like China"

Read above.

With a name like orthan is most likely a turk

Some say that im from east europe. Now you are saying that im turk. Whats next?

resident perpetual expert at everything, master of none a.k.a. @Orthan Red China is kaput. Who needs an educated opinion when all you need is @Orthan expertise and absolute gem of an insight that frankly none of us here can ever even begin or have the "audacity" to match.

Getting much defensive, arent you?

land forces that occupy are the final victory, but that is the easiest part after the air force, artillery and possibly navy win the conflict by defeating all enemy resistance.

artillery is part of land forces, and there is no way that air and naval forces can destroy all enemy forces. Each has its role, but land forces have a decisive one.

The US did send foot soldiers to Vietnam

The US only sent troops to south vietnam. If they had sent troops to north vietnam...

You recommend sending in ground forces without air cover into enemy territory defended by their air force?

I never said that. Each branch of a national armed force has its role, but it is the land forces branch that wins ( ends ) wars.

The solution that every modern country takes is to make warplanes stealthier and more difficult to target by air defenses.

TBH, in the real of warfare, there will always be a struggle betwen offence and defence. There is also a struggle betwen stealth warplanes and air defence, or do you think that air defence tech is standing still?

 

[manqiangrexue]

artillery is part of land forces, and there is no way that air and naval forces can destroy all enemy forces. Each has its role, but land forces have a decisive one.

Artillery is mainly missile technology, which is shared amongst all branches. It's a very difference force that goes in to occupy a country, which is what you were talking about as the finisher, and a force that launches missiles from hundreds of miles away to take out threats. The decisive role is with the artillery, air force, and possibly navy acting as extra artillery from sea. The invasion force is for finishing off an enemy decisively hobbled by the other forces. As I said before, the invasion force is the chest pump over the finish line but all the other forces do the running in a race.

The US only sent troops to south vietnam. If they had sent troops to north vietnam...

Then they would have suffered the same defeat as the ones in South Vietnam. They did not send troops to the North because they could not get the situation in the North controlled to a point where it could afford acceptable safety levels to those troops. They could not advance because the air force could not dominate and control the area, eliminating threats to soldiers.

I never said that. Each branch of a national armed force has its role, but it is the land forces branch that wins ( ends ) wars.

Not really. The war is won and domination already established before the invasion force can be sent... unless you want massive casualties.

TBH, in the real of warfare, there will always be a struggle betwen offence and defence. There is also a struggle betwen stealth warplanes and air defence, or do you think that air defence tech is standing still?

Of course defensive tech advances too but this is you moving the goalpost again. You previously asserted that the air force was becoming less important because "...nowadays, modern air defence is very lethal to most warplanes." But that is only one side of the coin, useless as presented by itself; the air force is still paramount to control of the situation and they are also increasingly lethal to air defense systems.

 

[Abominable]

I didnt say countries, i said people. You know, the attack on the chinese embassy in kyrgyzstan in 2016, the animosity toward chinese workers and farmers, etc, and some of these states are politically unstable. Russia today aligns with china, but no knows what will happen when Putin is no longer in power.

Russia turning on China = Indian fantasy.
CIS turning on China = Indian fantasy.

Some say that im from east europe. Now you are saying that im turk. Whats next?

You're Indian. I can recognise the delusion from a mile away. If only Indians spent the time they spend on their delusional beliefs online on improving their toilets and indoor plumbing India wouldn't be the world's laughing stock.

 

[Sleepyjam]

I didnt say countries, i said people. You know, the attack on the chinese embassy in kyrgyzstan in 2016, the animosity toward chinese workers and farmers, etc, and some of these states are politically unstable. Russia today aligns with china, but no knows what will happen when Putin is no longer in power.

As for the vietnam war, if the US had invaded north vietnam, the north vietnamese army wouldnt have standed a chance and china would have been forced to intervene directly. It would have been like a repeat of the korean war. Even if the US hadnt won, they wouldnt had lost, and south vietnam would still exist today.

The attack was done by uyghur terrorists not due to some kind of animosity by the native population. No one knows what will happen if Trump returns to power and starts backstabing American allies.

America lost the political will for the fight in Vietnam and a bigger war would only have sapped that will faster.

 

[steel21]

You literally haven't reduted anything I have said lol. Bit if you are genuinely interested in learning rather than trolling, read this, specifically the part about Hot Springs.

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For an overview of the entire sector, look at this map and compare. Each dot is a Chinese camp.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392713717163384836

Man, every time I see you (twineedle) post here, this is the image that comes to mind.