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vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Moderator - World Affairs
The Jewish far right organizations who does those bombings are indeed tagged as terrorist organizations and banned in Israel et all.

I can't comment about WW2 etc. Anyone who bombs innocents to achieve political/ideological purpose and to send bigger message is a terrorist.

But you are right that in several cases one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. It's shouldn't be but it is so in many cases.
The Jewish state of Israel is found by terrorists. They assassinated lots of British officials and bombed plenty. Read up on that part of history.

When a weak person/group is forced to fight a much much strong person/group, they have to resort to extraordinary means to inflict pain on the enemy. NATO forces are an occupying force and the Taliban has the legitimate right to fight back.

Chinese resistance fighters carried out plenty of attacks against the Japs and Chinese traitors during the War of Resistance
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The Jewish far right organizations who does those bombings are indeed tagged as terrorist organizations and banned in Israel et all.

I can't comment about WW2 etc. Anyone who bombs innocents to achieve political/ideological purpose and to send bigger message is a terrorist.

But you are right that in several cases one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. It's shouldn't be but it is so in many cases.
One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. With the only difference is who’s side they are fighting for, and often the same people can be a freedom fighter one day and terrorist the next. OBL is a classic example in point. When he was fighting the Soviet’s he was the best thing since sliced bread, until he started attacking American interests, at which point he because the devil incarnate.

The only true constant is national interests, which ironically makes China an easier power for the likes of the Taliban to deal with since there is no religious or white saviour baggage to get in the way. It’s a very simple and clear cut business transaction, which the Taliban understands well and respects.
 

Abominable

Major
Registered Member
Taliban are terrorists. I guess the occasional suicide bombings in Kabul are just firework celebrations gone wrong.

I have not suggested US to stay in Afghanistan. I will suggest to keep Taliban at arms length and check its direction of growth.

Taliban isn't China's friend. Taliban is the lesser of all evils. Still evil though.
Calling them evil is just the standard lazy western way of demonising people. You realise communists were considered the exact same once. What does evil even mean, they've made a pact with the devil? You consider their ideology wrong/immoral, they consider yours the same.

It's Vietnam all over again. The Taliban will retake Afghanistan and in 10 years all will be forgotten. America will consider them "good" and will try to use them against China.
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
I don't have any love nor hate for the battle tactics of the Taliban considering that they are outgunned and was at severe disadvantage against NATO forces lead by the Americans. The amount of "collateral damage" the NATO forces have committed against the civilians isn't even in the same league to that of the Taliban, so who's the real "terrorist" between the two warring factions? NATO/Americans just have better marketing due to their media and cultural dominance of the world. What the Taliban has done isn't something that haven't been done in the history of the world.

Do you know why Japanese, despite being youths, decided to sip that special sake and die for their emperor with their Kamikaze and stuff? Was it mere nationalism? No, a culture was created and employed to make them do it.

Similarly, it takes special "convincing" to get someone to blow themselves up. Taliban has achieved it using religion. "We fight for our religion, those at Kabul are siding with the heretic Americans" - would be the highlight line in all of their "preparation" sessions.

I'm not naive to sit back and believe that they will abandon this culture that they built up after they achieve their goals. It doesn't work like that. That indoctrination and brainwash can bite China later. This is exactly how ISIS formed in Iraq. The ideology and culture that provides them with power ( like the drug pervitin employed by nazis) will stay, fester and mutate.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
Do you know why Japanese, despite being youths, decided to sip that special sake and die for their emperor with their Kamikaze and stuff? Was it mere nationalism? No, a culture was created and employed to make them do it.

Similarly, it takes special "convincing" to get someone to blow themselves up. Taliban has achieved it using religion. "We fight for our religion, those at Kabul are siding with the heretic Americans" - would be the highlight line in all of their "preparation" sessions.

I'm not naive to sit back and believe that they will abandon this culture that they built up after they achieve their goals. It doesn't work like that. That indoctrination and brainwash can bite China later. This is exactly how ISIS formed in Iraq. The ideology and culture that provides them with power ( like the drug pervitin employed by nazis) will stay, fester and mutate.
That will continue to grow and fester if the economic situation of that country remains a shithole. And if China tries to interfere in that country's very conservative culture, ritualistic nature then China will be in trouble or find itself in one. I am not suggesting that China will not find the situation in Afghanistan less daunting or less of a challenge because that would be a fool's errand and Qing empire level of stupidity. Your concerns are duly noted and I do share some of the concerns you have but we must also wait and see how the Chinese government deals with Afghanistan and the Taliban not to their advantage but dealing with them in an equal fashion regardless of their politics or religious dogma.

If the Taliban is simply interested in their perpetual Jihad, interested in spreading their interference in other countries like China vis-a-vis Xinjiang region then all bets are off but until that scenario happens, China will deal with the government in power in Afghanistan and not the one it wishes to deal with that doesn't exist and will not exist in reality for a long time if not ever. I personally don't give a flying hoot for their religious fervor or that Afghanistan men despite their conservatism and orthodox belief in Islam still loves to butt f..k young boys; if that's not irony and contradictions to one's religion I don't know what is. But like I said, that's the current predominant culture and whatever our opinions to that particular practice is irrelevant and shouldn't sway on any potential political and economic relationship with the Taliban.
 

Gatekeeper

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Leading to her being ridicule

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Elsewhere in the news, Taiwan decided to pull everyone out ....... bar one! Mmmm. Because Tsai won't force their staff to sign the one China declaration.... interesting I presumed the one stay behind is the one that draw the "short strew" and was the one foreced to sign in order for him/she to stay.

Taiwan recalls trade officials from Hong Kong over ‘one-China’ clash​

Hong Kong demanded Taiwanese staff sign commitment to Beijing’s one-China principle in visa renewals
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siegecrossbow

General
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Leading to her being ridicule

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Elsewhere in the news, Taiwan decided to pull everyone out ....... bar one! Mmmm. Because Tsai won't force their staff to sign the one China declaration.... interesting I presumed the one stay behind is the one that draw the "short strew" and was the one foreced to sign in order for him/she to stay.

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That’s the beauty of identity politics. No matter how bad things get in Taiwan, the DPP will get reelected.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Do you know why Japanese, despite being youths, decided to sip that special sake and die for their emperor with their Kamikaze and stuff? Was it mere nationalism? No, a culture was created and employed to make them do it.

Similarly, it takes special "convincing" to get someone to blow themselves up. Taliban has achieved it using religion. "We fight for our religion, those at Kabul are siding with the heretic Americans" - would be the highlight line in all of their "preparation" sessions.

I'm not naive to sit back and believe that they will abandon this culture that they built up after they achieve their goals. It doesn't work like that. That indoctrination and brainwash can bite China later. This is exactly how ISIS formed in Iraq. The ideology and culture that provides them with power ( like the drug pervitin employed by nazis) will stay, fester and mutate.
I would not give the Taliban too much credit in that regard. Every single human culture have individuals who would not hesitate to risk and give their lives for others.

Poems and songs are written about western boys who marched into machine gun fire and shelling; China have war heroes who held satchel charges to blow up bunkers; American pilots on the Doolittle raid to bomb Tokyo in retaliation for Pearl Harbour were ‘strongly encouraged’ to steer their planes into valuable targets rather than bail out if they were hit; the charge of the light brigade; and who can forget the most epic of them all, the 300 Spartans who stood against a million Persians? The list of heroic last stands goes on and on.

The reason is that without that level of fanatical selfishness in enough individuals, if everyone on thought of their own survival and ran rather than fight impossible odds, your culture will get conquered and destroyed.

All ye Taliban did is tap into that universal human instinct and tell people blowing themselves up would help drive out the invaders and free their people. And can you honestly say they were wrong?

My point is that it doesn’t matter which culture of race it is, oppressed people will fight back with whatever means they have at their disposal. Suicide bombing is just the most effective weapon people’s and groups without better alternatives have at their disposal.

The key to dealing with such fanaticism is not with bombs or bullets or preachers, but with development, both human and infrastructure

Outside of the true believers, who are few, only desperate people with nothing to look forward to and little left to loose would consider suicide bombing as a means to earn enough money to lift their family out of poverty.

That is why the Taliban was so focused on sabotaging American development projects and schools, and that is their true crime against the Afghanistan people.

But without foreign invaders to fight, hopefully the Taliban will be much less hostile to develop and education (for boys at least) as a means to improving the living standards of themselves and their families. No one wants to live in the stone ages. The Taliban just prefer to live in the stone ages and be in power, but if their grip on power is not threatened, of course they will want better living standards. And China is uniquely qualified to deliver said development without the risk of regime change and coloured revolutions.

China’s position in Afghan will no doubt be made more complicated and difficult by active sabotage by America and India forces, but with Pakistan on its side vouching for China, I am quietly confident of China’s chances. There will inevitably be the odd attack and setbacks, but overall the long term prospects don’t look too bad.
 
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