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solarz

Brigadier
In this case, no. I'm not getting emotional at all.
This isn't win-win. I see clouds of doom.

You have to read up on Taliban. It's basically a student outfit that created a very potent cocktail of religious war and afghan nationalism. Then there is AL-Qaeda which badge themselves as defenders of religion against big tyrants ( USSR, US).

ISIS is way humble - Just religion. That's it. You see, there is an ISIS within every Taliban and AL-Qaeda. Taliban is trying to build up strength by showing its Afghan nationalist side for the time being. Once they become the De facto government and get access to trade, the leaders within will drop the show and reveal their religion oriented goal - Islamic State of Afghanistan and Asia Central (ISAAC) whatever ( got a ring to it).

Pakistan, India, China, Turkmenistan... All are going to be affected. Their target one would be Pakistan ( to get them nukes somehow) . India and China would be next target.
(Kashmir and Xinjiang).

That's your speculation. They had been in power for decades before the US invasion, and the world was arguably a more stable place back then.

Compared to that, we've got the US who publically admitted they're in Afghanistan to stage insurgencies in Xinjiang.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
Why are some members of the forum reacting positively to this?

Taliban is irrational. This is deja vu all over. Remember when Assads Syria and Iraq was destroyed and chaos all around? You got ISIS.

The Taliban and ISIS are from the same families.Are the ideologies of Taliban and ISIS much different? I don't think so. They scream the same stuff. The ISIS were stupid / reckless enough to consider a Global war.

How long till Taliban sits up and thinks "OK brothers, it's time to help ETIM in China towards their liberation?" PLA must be ready to wipe out them. No ethics. No morals. A show of strength and carnage.

Sometimes, enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend.
Agreed with wiping out the terrorists but it has to be coupled with economic development otherwise it'll be the same s..t all over again. Russia couldn't do jack s..t and the same goes with the corrupt Americans which didn't do much when it comes to actual training of the Afghani forces because the military thought they were never going to leave. The logistics, support, from the Army to the Afghanistan Airforce were created to be super reliant upon the American know-how, money, and manpower/knowledge which is why you're seeing the shitty result on the battlefield. Like you said it'll be ISIS like environment all over again and who's f..ng fault is that?
 

voyager1

Captain
Registered Member
Taliban and ISIS are completely different. If they weren't, the US wouldn't be negotiating with the Taliban.

The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan before they were ousted by the US. Like them or not, they enjoy widespread support in the Afghan countryside. The Kabul puppet regime is corrupt and incompetent, they are incapable of holding power independently.

Therefore, it doesn't matter what you think of the Taliban, someone will be filling the vacuum of a US withdrawal.

What makes you think the Taliban is going to be any worse for China than having the US there?
Exactly. This is net positive for China. With the US finally getting out of it, so many possibilities are now opened for China to take advantage of.

The Taliban understand it which is why they feel confident on their dealings with China. Taliban need funding, infrastructure for Afghanistan and China have their own plans for Afghanistan. Nobody is losing here.

I mean why make enemies when you can make friends. I can tell you something, I have never seen a country fail because it had too many friends. However plenty of countries/kingdoms/tribes disappeared due to having too many enemies.

China is on the business of making friends and not making enemies


First step for China is to get Afghanistan joining in the BRI
 

james smith esq

Senior Member
Registered Member
Agreed with wiping out the terrorists but it has to be coupled with economic development otherwise it'll be the same s..t all over again. Russia couldn't do jack s..t and the same goes with the corrupt Americans which didn't do much when it comes to actual training of the Afghani forces because the military thought they were never going to leave. The logistics, support, from the Army to the Afghanistan Airforce were created to be super reliant upon the American know-how, money, and manpower/knowledge which is why you're seeing the shitty result on the battlefield. Like you said it'll be ISIS like environment all over again and who's f..ng fault is that?
All I can add is this, if the Taliban, with their hyper-fundamentalist world-view, think that they will offer support to Chinese-national Islamists, like they did to Osama Bin-Laidout, then the Chinese leadership should consider going into Afghanistan in ways that Russia and the US never could. The fundamentalists don’t seem use choose their adversaries, or their battles, rationally.

Radical Islamic fundamentalism, although it’s reach lacks breadth and depth, like white-supremacy, is an ideology that poses particular threats.
 
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Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
Taliban and ISIS are completely different. If they weren't, the US wouldn't be negotiating with the Taliban.

The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan before they were ousted by the US. Like them or not, they enjoy widespread support in the Afghan countryside. The Kabul puppet regime is corrupt and incompetent, they are incapable of holding power independently.

Therefore, it doesn't matter what you think of the Taliban, someone will be filling the vacuum of a US withdrawal.

What makes you think the Taliban is going to be any worse for China than having the US there?
US is negotiating with Taliban because there is no one else to negotiate with. They have the strength and hold. US also negotiated with ISIS and Alquade whatever.

Taliban isn't just afghan liberation.
Exactly. This is net positive for China. With the US finally getting out of it, so many possibilities are now opened for China to take advantage of.

The Taliban understand it which is why they feel confident on their dealings with China. Taliban need funding, infrastructure for Afghanistan and China have their own plans for Afghanistan. Nobody is losing here.

I mean why make enemies when you can make friends. I can tell you something, I have never seen a country fail because it had too many friends. However plenty of countries/kingdoms/tribes disappeared due to having too many enemies.

China is on the business of making friends and not making enemies


First step for China is to get Afghanistan joining in the BRI
It shall indeed work out for the short term. But long term, I don't think so.

US can operate within Afghanistan even without the government. Many Afghanis were ready to be interpreters and spies for NATO and US for a chance to get out of that country and land a green card.

What happens when US and EU puts trade sanctions on Taliban formed government? They will want to lock down that region in a time capsule and prevent it from modernizing.
 

solarz

Brigadier
US is negotiating with Taliban because there is no one else to negotiate with. They have the strength and hold. US also negotiated with ISIS and Alquade whatever.

I'm not aware of the US negotiating any peace treaty with ISIS or al Qaeda.


US can operate within Afghanistan even without the government. Many Afghanis were ready to be interpreters and spies for NATO and US for a chance to get out of that country and land a green card.

What happens when US and EU puts trade sanctions on Taliban formed government? They will want to lock down that region in a time capsule and prevent it from modernizing.

Ultimately, Afghanistan's problems need to be solved by Afghans, and the first step toward that is to have Afghans take control of their own country.
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
I'm not aware of the US negotiating any peace treaty with ISIS or al Qaeda.
Oh, they did.
While US discount sold "We don't negotiate with terrorists" to its masses home, it conducted backchannel negotiations with these terrorist outfits for other low profile cases that does not trigger or affect the populace at home.

Cases where a threat of or direct terrorist attacks, hostage etc happen are barred from negotiations. Other cases - material, territory, local populace etc do include negotiations.
Such backchannel negotiations were there regarding release of local populace who helped NATO, US etc.
 

emblem21

Major
Registered Member
The Australians are coming!! The Australians are coming!!

If they managed to actually try something this stupid, I think the very vision of australia getting invaded by China and basically getting owned so hard that the aborigines would be somewhat proud (I mean the Anglo saxons getting owned is something that is long over due) is something that could happen because the sheer stupidity and arrogance is simply going out of control at this point. None of this had to happen if australia could put two and two together not to antagonise their biggest trade partner). At this point, most of the world would actually support an invasion on australia if only to force australia to stop acting so childish and being such a useless lapdog and basically commits atrocities around the world without a care and I am positive that most of the word would love for australia to get some serious amount of humbling. Also anyone who managers to compete wipe out Rupert Murdoch and his lying lot will be doing the world a fundamental service in stamping out lies and corruption. Also, sadly enough, australia may actually require a real reality check in that not once as australia ever had a war on its door step, if such a thing finally happens, the media and any supporter of the USA would need to be made a real example of for all the world to see so that the world can finally get the full message that the age of the western hegemony is dead forever

Also, Japan could also use a serious reality check as well
 
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