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Bellum_Romanum

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Oh, they did.
While US discount sold "We don't negotiate with terrorists" to its masses home, it conducted backchannel negotiations with these terrorist outfits for other low profile cases that does not trigger or affect the populace at home.

Cases where a threat of or direct terrorist attacks, hostage etc happen are barred from negotiations. Other cases - material, territory, local populace etc do include negotiations.
Such backchannel negotiations were there regarding release of local populace who helped NATO, US etc.
The Taliban are not terrorists and has never attacked the Americans prior to the invasion of Afghanistan. As a matter of fact the Taliban government even went to Texas and met with then Governor Bush (before he was President) to discuss some business as one might guess it's about oil pipeline and that was back in 1997. Although the precious articles and pictures have been scrubbed off Google since I couldn't find the material anymore. And am sure you remember how the Taliban came to being anyway since most of them were trained Mujahideen fighters by the U.S. when it's previous geopolitical foe was the Soviet Reds.

And what is your suggestion that America ought to stay in perpetuity in Afghanistan to keep doing the same s..t over and over again with no tangible results to show? That's lunacy and outright folly. Again, as mentioned the U.S. has a habit of neglecting proper training to their so called Allied troops to the point of total incompetence. They have a record of failures from China, Korea, Iran (Shah),Vietnam, Iraq, Georgia, Saudi, Afghanistan, Ukraine. I have yet to actually see any tangible results from an American led training and equipping where the trained force have distinguished itself and made American military training look good.

At the end of the day this episode in Vietnam War, a battle between the ARVN vs the Vietcong, Vietminh troops is the going to play out in our smartphone and computer screen sometime this year. American failure.
 

Xizor

Captain
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The Taliban are not terrorists and has never attacked the Americans prior to the invasion of Afghanistan. As a matter of fact the Taliban government even went to Texas and met with then Governor Bush (before he was President) to discuss some business as one might guess it's about oil pipeline and that was back in 1997. Although the precious articles and pictures have been scrubbed off Google since I couldn't find the material anymore. And am sure you remember how the Taliban came to being anyway since most of them were trained Mujahideen fighters by the U.S. when it's previous geopolitical foe was the Soviet Reds.

And what is your suggestion that America ought to stay in perpetuity in Afghanistan to keep doing the same s..t over and over again with no tangible results to show? That's lunacy and outright folly. Again, as mentioned the U.S. has a habit of neglecting proper training to their so called Allied troops to the point of total incompetence. They have a record of failures from China, Korea, Iran (Shah),Vietnam, Iraq, Georgia, Saudi, Afghanistan, Ukraine. I have yet to actually see any tangible results from an American led training and equipping where the trained force have distinguished itself and made American military training look good.

At the end of the day this episode in Vietnam War, a battle between the ARVN vs the Vietcong, Vietminh troops is the going to play out in our smartphone and computer screen sometime this year. American failure.
Taliban are terrorists. I guess the occasional suicide bombings in Kabul are just firework celebrations gone wrong.

I have not suggested US to stay in Afghanistan. I will suggest to keep Taliban at arms length and check its direction of growth.

Taliban isn't China's friend. Taliban is the lesser of all evils. Still evil though.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Taliban are terrorists. I guess the occasional suicide bombings in Kabul are just firework celebrations gone wrong.

I have not suggested US to stay in Afghanistan. I will suggest to keep Taliban at arms length and check its direction of growth.

Taliban isn't China's friend. Taliban is the lesser of all evils. Still evil though.
Jews did plenty of bombing in Palestine as well. You don't hear them being call the terrorists
Koreans did plenty of assassinations and bombing during World War II, the Japs called them terrorists as well.
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Xizor

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Jews did plenty of bombing in Palestine as well. You don't hear them being call the terrorists
Koreans did plenty of assassinations and bombing during World War II, the Japs called them terrorists as well.
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The Jewish far right organizations who does those bombings are indeed tagged as terrorist organizations and banned in Israel et all.

I can't comment about WW2 etc. Anyone who bombs innocents to achieve political/ideological purpose and to send bigger message is a terrorist.

But you are right that in several cases one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. It's shouldn't be but it is so in many cases.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Taliban are terrorists. I guess the occasional suicide bombings in Kabul are just firework celebrations gone wrong.

I have not suggested US to stay in Afghanistan. I will suggest to keep Taliban at arms length and check its direction of growth.

Taliban isn't China's friend. Taliban is the lesser of all evils. Still evil though.
I mean why wouldn't they bomb Kabul which is currently being held or controlled by a western/American backed government and the government that's not even well respected in most of the country. They are only governing in Kabul and that's it. I don't have any love nor hate for the battle tactics of the Taliban considering that they are outgunned and was at severe disadvantage against NATO forces lead by the Americans. The amount of "collateral damage" the NATO forces have committed against the civilians isn't even in the same league to that of the Taliban, so who's the real "terrorist" between the two warring factions? NATO/Americans just have better marketing due to their media and cultural dominance of the world. What the Taliban has done isn't something that haven't been done in the history of the world. It's only shocking to the uneducated and largely ignorant masses of western countries.

The Taliban wouldn't have achieved their success if they were playing nice and saying please and thank you.
 

emblem21

Major
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Taliban are terrorists. I guess the occasional suicide bombings in Kabul are just firework celebrations gone wrong.

I have not suggested US to stay in Afghanistan. I will suggest to keep Taliban at arms length and check its direction of growth.

Taliban isn't China's friend. Taliban is the lesser of all evils. Still evil though.
It’s probably better to direct and keep their hatred against the west at the top of the list so that the taliban can focus on that and thus China can take time to ensure that Afghanistan doesn’t become a major problem for China and even open up some opportunities in The future. This wouldn’t be too hard given that the people of Afghanistan has 2 decades of suffering thanks to the west and it would be quite easy to play on that.
 

gelgoog

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The US had a long time to do nation building like they claimed they could do in Afghanistan. They even had the tacit support of the countries around Afghanistan to do this. They failed miserably. To a large part this is because the government of Afghanistan does not represent the people of Afghanistan properly. We also hear a lot of talk about how government soldiers and police keep fleeing but just look at the losses they had. The US also failed at training and equipping the Afghan army. The US outstayed its welcome and that only added fuel to the fire and made the Afghan government all the more anathema to the Afghan people. They don't like foreigners.

The Afghans also lacked a central unifying figure they could rally around. The US puppet leaders weren't effective at this.
 
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