Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

tupolevtu144

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Taiwan is actively seeking this. Same with the Japanese vaccine donation. Tsai and DPP has politicised this pandemic from the very start. Prepare to expect more of the same
True. DPP did everything they can to stop civilian institutions from importing Pfizer vaccines from Fosun while telling Western media that it was China that was blocking the vaccines. The DPP was also super silent most of the time when discontent against them was growing rapidly in Taiwan (with Tsai literally only appearing ONCE to talk about the Tienanmen incident to Western media), only to declare "victory" to the (both domestic and foreign) media and claim all credit (saying that it was all DPP's diplomatic efforts) when Japan and the US finally stepped in to donate vaccines.
 

voyager1

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Wow this is impressive! America is letting its own people get misinformed and push them into conspiracies etc

What a perfect self-destructive behaviour by the US. China should support them instead, no reason to criticise them too much

They are going to self-implode in few years by making their population a mindless hive mind.

Good thing that China stays away from these things. Make no mistake, this is a sign of an ever declining country
 

badoc

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Singapore approves Sinovac vaccine, partly because it has fewer side effects than the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna,

There are 2000 people out of approx 1.8million people in Singapore who had a severe allergic reaction to mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna. That works out as 1 in 900 people.

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Hong Kong data shows that BioNTech has a lot more side effects than Sinovac. Article below.

No Side Effects
Sinovac: 79.5% (only 1 in 5 people experience side effects)
BioNTech: 50.4% (half of people experience side effects)

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I have waited long for this Sinovac vaccine.
Now even though it is approved but it is not included in our National Vaccine Programme.

We get reimbursed for the jab at approved private clinics but not covered under the "Vaccine Injury Financial Assistance Programme".

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Dr Oon, 82, played a key role in Singapore’s hepatitis B vaccination programme that began in the late 1970s. Hepatitis B is a liver infection caused by a virus.

In the message, he wrote that mutations in the spike protein of the coronavirus causing Covid-19 has altered its antigenicity — or its ability to bind to cell walls.

When the antigenicity changes, vaccines that use the new mRNA technology such as Pfizer-BioNTech cannot recognise the mutant variant such as the B1617 one.

Only a vaccine such as Sinovac that has an inactivated virus “with all its seven antigens” can still produce an immune response even when one antigen of the active invading virus is affected by mutation, Dr Oon wrote.

He added that the B1617 variant had successfully infected vaccinated frontliners and airport staff members, as well as school children in Singapore.

Pfizer is useless now and obsolete in the presence of mutations on (the) spike gene,” the message read.

He also said in the message that “China vaccines” can overcome the B1617 variant and that he had written in to the authorities to consider using Sinovac.
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The reason for Sinovac being not included in our National Vaccine Programme could be this.
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It plans to open its Singapore office and start the construction of the manufacturing facility in 2021, subject to planning approval.
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emblem21

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Wow this is impressive! America is letting its own people get misinformed and push them into conspiracies etc

What a perfect self-destructive behaviour by the US. China should support them instead, no reason to criticise them too much

They are going to self-implode in few years by making their population a mindless hive mind.

Good thing that China stays away from these things. Make no mistake, this is a sign of an ever declining country
Good, in the event that China has to technology to really save the world, the USA will eagerly disagree and let themselves die in their stupidity in vast numbers due to most of their population being stupid, hence making the inevitable situation where China can team up with Russia to clean up the world after the USA destroys itself to the point where most of the world can push the rest of the west into the gutter and let more reasonable nations lead the world. It’s clear that the image of a fat baby that cries after every small thing is exactly what the USA is right now, so the only way to deal with this is to leave them as far as possible from any position of leadership since they will never have the peoples interests at heart
 

Heliox

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Well I heard the locals are not pleased with Pfizer Moderna AstraZeneca, but from what I understand, they aren't even considering Chinese vaccines as alternatives.

Is the local media/social media in Singapore having discussions about the efficacy of Chinese vaccines?

Also I believe Singaporeans are also disinterested in Russian vaccines. There seems to be a distrust in Russian products. I don't even think Singaporeans are interested in Russian culture (food, travel etc).

When you say the "locals are not pleased", it really depends on who you talk to.

I believe that as with any country, there will always be people who are staunchly in certain camps and who will not be swayed regardless of what facts are presented. We (Singapore) have our fair share of anti-china or anti-west and even anti-vaxxers and honestly, IMO, their point of view is not one for rational debate.

The pro-west camp will obviously be pleased with Pfizer/Modena
The pro-China camp will never be pleased with Pfizer/Modena.
The anti-vaxxers, lolz, nothing will please them.

Singapore sits in a crossroads of political influences, between east and west, between pro-China and anti-China influences. Whilst our media is largely western derived and the lemmings are pro-west, there's also quite a fair bit of us who are educated enough in our world view to know the truth lies somewhere in between those 2 camps and we've largely tried to the take the best that both have to offer.

wrt vaccines, the larger issue at stake for Singaporeans is the potential for the local and international community to move towards a reopening of society via a form of "vaccine" passport. Those of you in bigger countries don't realise what it's like to be locked in a city for going on 18 months and more now.

Singapore is so geographically small that it seriously induces cabin fever on a country-wide scale. On any long weekend, traffic visibly goes down by at least a quarter as a significant portion of the population drives/flies out for a weekend getaway in surrounding countries. The need to stretch the legs is palpable. Add onto that the nature of the Singapore economy being dependent on non-domestic trade, the importance of any future "vaccine passport" looms large in the mind of lots.

As such;
The issue isn't one of efficacy. Any vaccine will do if it gets us on the green lane.
The issue also isn't really one of China vs western vs Russian vaccine. Any vaccine will do if it gets us on the green lane.
The issue boils down to one of vaccine tech and perceived safety. mRNA new tech vs deactivated vaccine old (and safe) tech.

We need to be vaccinated to burst out of this little red dot when the gates are opened but we don't like it that we have no choice but to submit ourselves to only mRNA vaccines with no mid-long term track record. We especially don't like it that we are now being asked to vaccinate our school going children with mRNA vaccines.

I personally know some, normally anti-China people, who are actually upset they can't get the China vaccine (because it's the only safe-tech vaccine around).

Note: Just a few days ago, the Singapore govt approved the use of J&J, AZ and Sinopharm/Sinovac vaccines through the private health care sector under a Special Access Route (SAR) program. It is at own cost and own risk and any adverse effects are not covered by govt insurance for the govt vaccine program using Pfizer/Modena. More of concern, they have also not yet confirmed that vaccinations obtained under the SAR program will be recognised for eligible for the same exemptions on testing, or public health restrictions, which may be accorded to individuals vaccinated under our national programme. Which kinds of defeats the purpose really ...
 
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