Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Two children being discharged from Koh Pich Covid-19 Mild Symptom Center. Authority says that Covid-19 surge is getting under control as more and more red zones turning to orange or yellow.
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getready

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hashtagpls said:
In my experience and i believe this is also the viewpoint of the Chinese gov (and the ROC), healthcare outcomes are best achieved through a synergy of both modern medicine and traditional chinese medicine. TCM has evolved as has modern medicine- this means you're not going to see TCM in surgery, but you will see TCM in post operative rehabilitation eg acupuncture and herbal therapy or as an adjunct to chemotherapy or radiation therapy.
You're going to see TCM used in chronic disorders eg stroke patients, cerebral palsy, where the modern medicine equivalent would assign to physiotherapists- and here's the rub. Western physiotherapy is actually stealing traditional chinese medicine and claiming it as their own- look up dry needling- which is acupuncture; in fact, this is a feature of western imperialism: to steal foreign ideas and re-market it as their own. Eg non quinine based antimalarial drugs lifted from the pharmacopoeia of traditional chinese medicine eg QingHaosu, and for the office workers here, did you know the corporate "Agile System" which is all the rage in the anglosphere, is really a re-branded japanese corporate culture team building system?

TCM works in China and taiwan because the chinese worldview is a synergy of complementary opposites; it's a very western belief to have a zero sum attitude towards life- and it's not even true in science either. There's plenty of scientific theories that clash with each other (chemistry being a great eg) and yet are still taught in universities because people can accept two different conflicting schools of thoughts- and this is what medics in china, in taiwan, in korea etc do.

Unsurprisingly, the Chinese approach to COVID has been the most effective response; besides societal cooperation of locking down, isolating and contact tracing, the use of TCM along with allopathic interventions was crucial for the low death rate compared to modern socialised medical countries like Germany and France, and now with mass vaccinations and a new room temperature mRNA in the works, China's leaders simply create conditions that allow for the highest probability of preserving human life.

In fact, we could have an HIV vaccine or a cure to cancer in our lifetimes thanks to the humanity first approach to life in China compared to the profit driven anglosphere.

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One final note, it's erroneous to compare the cow piss drinking Ayurvedic charlatans to TCM; the former is clearly guided by religious superstition; in TCM copious amounts of research literature has been conducted since the WHO was first formed to determine the correct dosages of active components of plant/mineral/animal part in TCM.
TCM of today has actually been standardised thanks to the CCP and the ROC, compared to what it was back even as late as the 30s.
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I maybe wrong but TCM also includes surgery? I remember reading hua tuo, a famous physician in the kingdoms period performed surgery on patients and was the first recorded person to use a form of anesthesia.
 
hashtagpls

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getready said:
I maybe wrong but TCM also includes surgery? I remember reading hua tuo, a famous physician in the kingdoms period performed surgery on patients and was the first recorded person to use a form of anesthesia.
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Huatuo also used a herbal decoction that included cannabis for anaesthesia, and whilst it's in the record, we don't need to use it when there are better solutions available such as general anaesthesia.
HuaTuo and Zhang Zhong Jing and Wu YouKe would have loved to have what we have today to help the ppl they were treating, as would we when it comes to future doctors with better tech.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1391588984652922883
 
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hashtagpls said:
Huatuo also used a herbal decoction that included cannabis for anaesthesia, and whilst it's in the record, we don't need to use it when there are better solutions available such as general anaesthesia.
HuaTuo and Zhang Zhong Jing and Wu YouKe would have loved to have what we have today to help the ppl they were treating, as would we when it comes to future doctors with better tech.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1391588984652922883
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This is great news. The world should know more about this even if it would entail more study/investigation. Just forget those you know which inherently skeptical countries.
 
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Yes using China as an excuse so the US can get as much money out of it as possible. The only thing the US has to do is give the formula to the countries it's okay with getting and producing it. It's that simple. The reason why they're hesitant is because they don't want to give it out to anyone so they can make the money. So you see the US isn't really interesting helping vaccinating the world without making a profit from it hence why they were hoarding it before the downturn in India and calls for releasing its stockpile or waiving the patent.
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I think the Biden Administration reversed course because they don't actually have that much IPR in the game.

The underlying 'technology' in Pfizer's Vaccine is German

Moderna lost its patent challenges in the US patent courts against a Canadian company
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that actually licensed the technology used to deliver the mRNA.

I guess if using other countries' work and slapping a Made in the USA badge on doesn't cut it anymore, just throw them under a bus!
 
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