Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[hashtagpls]

Those are movies. You’d reach the conclusion that Chinese people could fly if you binge read Louis Cha novels.

You can't deny the power of media though; up until last year, everyone in the world assumed the west and the US would be able to handle this pandemic, only to fail utterly.
Not even modern first world medical systems could contain this coronavirus because this pandemic requires societal cohesion to beat the damn virus.

A few years ago, i had to get a procedure done in a hospital; i assumed we'd have Star Trek style medical systems because of shows like House MD and ER. Did you know, we haven't progressed much beyond 20th c. surgical techniques? Where are the regeneration pods? That's the power of media.

 

[KYli]

Interesting that Lasso had contacted Beijing and Moscow as well. I thought he's gonna be exclusively Washington guy

With the exception of Bolsonaro, most of the traditional conservatives in Latin America are pragmatic.

 

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[caudaceus]

With the exception of Bolsonaro, most of the traditional conservatives in Latin America are pragmatic.

Even Bolsonaro is ultimately forced to shut up against China due to Vaccine, Agriculture and Minerals pressure.

 

[Tyler]

With the exception of Bolsonaro, most of the traditional conservatives in Latin America are pragmatic.

If you look at Brazil's covid-19 numbers, considering the relative size of its population, it is just as crappy as that of India's situation.

 

[Inst]

If you look at Brazil's covid-19 numbers, considering the relative size of its population, it is just as crappy as that of India's situation.

When you look at the size of the population relative to confirmed tests (and India probably undertests by a lot, with numbers rigging to boot), India is actually rather well-off. The main issue is that their healthcare system is overwhelmed, and that could easily have been China if it had happened in 1990 or 1995.

In reality, the US had a peak rate of around 0.1% of population reporting new confirmed cases per day. IIRC, Belgium had higher figures at its peak, with around 0.25 or higher percent of its population reporting new confirmed cases. India is around 0.02%, but the death toll is still real, likely with significant undercounting.

 

[getready]

You can't deny the power of media though; up until last year, everyone in the world assumed the west and the US would be able to handle this pandemic, only to fail utterly.
Not even modern first world medical systems could contain this coronavirus because this pandemic requires societal cohesion to beat the damn virus.

A few years ago, i had to get a procedure done in a hospital; i assumed we'd have Star Trek style medical systems because of shows like House MD and ER. Did you know, we haven't progressed much beyond 20th c. surgical techniques? Where are the regeneration pods? That's the power of media.

Media is soft power. And they have limits. I speak from experience as I grew up pro American and devour propaganda films like top gun. Now I'm on the opposite spectrum. At some point sensible adults willl have realized there is difference between reality and films. At times big differences.

 

[daifo]

Media is soft power. And they have limits. I speak from experience as I grew up pro American and devour propaganda films like top gun. Now I'm on the opposite spectrum. At some point sensible adults willl have realized there is difference between reality and films. At times big differences.

Americans may be the most brainwashed because they have always been taught they had freedom and has free access to infomation. That is true, but 95% just digest the narrative that is given to them. For example, I know real life chinese americans that says China is behaving badly because it is using vaccine diplomacy/soft power around the world by providing vaccines around the world to get good will, while the us is good for withholding vaccines because it needs to secure itself first. When the US does provide vaccine for export, they doing it because they are well intended and always believe in human rights. My brain can't compute it...

 

[B.I.B.]

There are 1.3 billion people in India. There is no way there can be enough medical supplies for so many sick people.

Right now, the best thing the world can do, for both the world and India itself, is to quarantine that entire country.

What's your opinion on countries banning flights from India, which prevents their own nationals from returning home?
.New Zealand has decided not to extend its current ban under the belief that it is illegal to deprive the right of one's own citizens from returning home.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

I don't know where you grow up, but let me put you in the perspective of a Chinese expat from abroad.

You have aging parents or a child at home. Everyone knows that you have a high chance of contracting the virus on the journey home. You have two options, stay the extra 7 days for the love of your parents and child, or worrying the psychological impact on yourself of the 21 days. Are you willing to risk your parents' health or even their lives? I think the choice is obvious for every sensible person, at least every Chinese. Maybe a person grown up in a western world thinks otherwise, but not Chinese.

In a hotel, you have all access to internet and TV etc. You can video chat with anyone any time. You are not allowed to step out of your quarter in both scenario. The only difference is that you are not sleeping on your own bed and not talking to someone in person.

I am making this game of thought from my own perspective and I make the choice as I proposed. If I am too weak to stay in a hotel room for 21 days for the sake of my family members, that means I don't love them and therefor I don't deserve a home.

If you are a single person having no home in China, then you should not go to China in the first place if 21 days is too tough for you. That is your choice as 21 days does not worth whatever your purpose of travel. Remember everyone has the choice of not taking the 21 days hotel quarantine by not entering China.

Individuals have obligations and responsibilities to the society if they claim their rights. This is probably the biggest difference between Chinese and western minds, and the very reason that China beats the virus and the west is in a pandemic hell.

Just tell you one example of Chinese. On the next morning of Xi's order of national lock-down, I saw almost nobody walking outside of my neighborhood in Beijing, there was no police officer to enforce the order either. People began to remove mask when outside only after Zhong Nanshan (Chinese CDC chief like person) said that it was ok if one can maintain a safe distance.

I would like to mention that home quarantine precludes other non-quarantinees. I think I have been misinterpreted bidirectionally - some misinterpreted me as referring to solitary confinement at home, while some misinterpreted me as quarantining with other non-quarantine family members at home.

I believe the idea of home quarantine assumed the non-presence of other family members not undergoing quarantine, since it would be a logical collorary, but perhaps I got interpreted the wrong way.

The idea of quarantining with your parents when your parents are not undergoing quarantine themselves has to be stupid enough that it does not deserve explanation.

Perhaps this can be pegged with 代孕。 Until Zheng Shuang caused an uproar a few months ago, the idea of commercial womb rental was reprehensible enough to most Chinese it was felt there was no need to codify it as it was automatically assumed such a practice was not to be condoned.

In essence I would clarify that solitary confinement in a hotel or prison is found to be much harmful than solitary confinement in one's place of residence, and I was referring to the former which was why I advocated for a final leg at home. Also it would be automatically assumed that you aren't quarantining with a baby or old people - I mean that isn't even a quarantine, if you are interacting with other human beings at home. If there are other human beings at home, it's not called a quarantine.